Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Scorpion said:
It is my experience that telepathy does exist, and proving it would give cause for pause to the idea that consciousness is dependent on the brain.
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It would give us pause to doubt our entire understanding of the universe. And let me mention that is the understanding that was used to make the very computers we are using to communicate, that has been tested literally to scales less than the size of an atom, that can detect gravity waves.

An understanding that actually works.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
And you have also told us you are schizophrenic. One of the symptoms of schizophrenia is thinking that you can read minds, or that others can read yours.

Are you of the opinion that schizophrenia is actually misdiagnosed telepathy?
Or do you believe that you are both schizophrenic, AND have mental powers?

If the latter, do you realize that it might not be possible for someone who is schizophrenic to tell the difference?
And that actual telepathy can be tested? If communication by thought alone is possible, it should be able to demonstrate that actual communication takes place, even if we don't understand the mechanism.

If your answer is that it only works sometimes, or actively avoids being tested, or (as I think you've said before) telepathy was used by government officials to brainwash you, so they won't admit that it's real... Do you see how impartial bystanders would sooner think that those thoughts are the result of your condition, rather than self-hiding superpowers?
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I think schizophrenia is a label applied to a condition that is barely understood.
As I have said I believe some of my symptoms were due to my etheric body being loose, and my chakras miss aligned. But try telling that to a psychiatrist.

I believe at the time of the events I have recounted the police had me under investigation, and it was them that were behind what was done to me at my last job. But what motivated a psychic office girl to participate in it escapes me. I don't understand her motives, or how she did what she seemed to do.
I don't experience thought broadcasting any longer, so I cannot get any further information on it.
 
Scorpion said:
It is my experience that telepathy does exist, and proving it would give cause for pause to the idea that consciousness is dependent on the brain.
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Keyword.

As I said your experiences are not a barometer for truth, and again even if you could prove such a thing how could you possibly draw a direct line from that to 'The spirit realm exists' ?
 
Nay_Sayer said:
Keyword.

As I said your experiences are not a barometer for truth, and again even if you could prove such a thing how could you possibly draw a direct line from that to 'The spirit realm exists' ?
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Proving telepathy would be a start.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
There are many members of this board who would be happy to help you set up a test.
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I have calmed down since middle age, and I don't seem to broadcast my thoughts any longer. In any case a person receiving my thoughts would have to be psychic themselves. I never could read minds, only send out thoughts.
 
Nay_Sayer said:
How would that be a start? 3rd time asking
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Proving that thought can travel beyond the brain would indicate it has properties that are not caused by the brains activity. The next conclusion might be that consciousness can survive without a brain.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
And are you willing to help them prove telepathy?
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I don't see how I can, as I do not appear to be transmitting my thoughts any longer. The only way I could prove telepathy would be if my ex employers admitted they used it on me to try and break me down. But they just tried to get me charged with harassment for bothering them.
 
Scorpion said:
Proving that thought can travel beyond the brain would indicate it has properties that are not caused by the brains activity. ...
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This sentence is rather amazing for an electronics expert like you, Scorpion.

Would you say: "Proving that thought electromagnetic waves can travel beyond the brain a radio transmitter would indicate it has properties that are not caused by the brains transmitter's activity" ?
 
There is no conceivable natural mechanism by which the thoughts of one person could be received by another a significant distance away. We know more than enough about how the world, and the brain, works to rule that possibility out. So Scorpion is right to think that good, objective, evidence for telepathy would help his case. But there isn't any, so he has no case.

There's no way of knowing what actually happened with his "psychic colleague", but there is no good reason for anyone (including Scorpion) to conclude from his memory of the incident that telepathy is real.
 
Pixel42 said:
There is no conceivable natural mechanism by which the thoughts of one person could be received by another a significant distance away.
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Beware the Argument From Personal Incredulity.

We know enough about the world to put telepathy very low on the list of plausibilities. But not to rule it out entirely.

I doubt it exists, but it would be so cool if it did, opening up a whole world of new scientific horizons.

But I’m not holding my breath.
 
Michel H said:
This sentence is rather amazing for an electronics expert like you, Scorpion.

Would you say: "Proving that thought electromagnetic waves can travel beyond the brain a radio transmitter would indicate it has properties that are not caused by the brains transmitter's activity" ?
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I don't think telepathy can be due to the brain transmitting electromagnetic waves, as that would be measurable.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
We know enough about the world to put telepathy very low on the list of plausibilities. But not to rule it out entirely.
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I use to be very pedantic about that too, but after years of woo slingers gleefully inserting their woo into that microscopic percentage of uncertainty I decided not to be so precious.

I am happy to confidently rule out the existence of telepathy, based on our current understanding of the laws of physics and the working of the brain. Should compelling objective evidence to the contrary ever emerge I will, of course, reconsider that conclusion, but until and unless that incredibly unlikely possibility actually materialises I am sticking with "it's nonsense".
 
Scorpion, buddy. Again, please consider these comments as objectively as possible.

1) You claim in this thread to have experienced mental illness in the form of (at least) schizophrenia and addiction.

2) You claim as evidence for the spirit world various anecdotes from your experience that include paranoid delusions, e.g., people are trying to kill me, my co-workers are using telepathy on me, etc.

3) Paranoid delusions are a common symptom of schizophrenia.

4) Ergo, your claimed evidence for the spirit world is indistinguishable from a common manifestation of a condition you have claimed to have.

5) Analogy: "I have arthritis and my joints are sore so clearly the spirits are communicating with me by making my joints hurt."
 
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