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Score a Big one for Science! "Homeopathy does not work."

Step in the right direction at least - but probably won't make much of a dent in the business.

Sad but not surprising that most of the comments I saw were "big pharma protecting their patents" and "if you had an open mind and tried it ..." etc. etc.
 
Someone at work brought a homeopathic product to treat hay fever. I pointed out that the only substance in it was alcohol. Other ingredients were diluted at least 5X, which is hardly homeopathic. Would have been great if the warning had been on the product.
 
rjh01 said:
Someone at work brought a homeopathic product to treat hay fever. I pointed out that the only substance in it was alcohol. Other ingredients were diluted at least 5X, which is hardly homeopathic. Would have been great if the warning had been on the product.
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Perhaps you don't know the homeo shorthand? 5X is not 50:1, it's a 10:1 dilution, five times in a row- 10x10x10x10x10, or, 100,000 to one.
 
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Jrrarglblarg said:
The ftc statement directly
https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/do...opathic_drug_enforcement_policy_statement.pdf
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I think that the FTC statement is a very good one: if you wish to make medical claims for your product you must show that it actually works. It doesn't matter if your product is homeopathic or otherwise- just provide evidence that your claims are true. If you cannot you can still sell your product but you have to word your claims honestly and make it clear as to what the actual evidence is and is not.
 
The FTC ruling referred to them as homeopathic drugs, which seemed odd to me.
 
Giordano said:
I think that the FTC statement is a very good one: if you wish to make medical claims for your product you must show that it actually works. It doesn't matter if your product is homeopathic or otherwise- just provide evidence that your claims are true. If you cannot you can still sell your product but you have to word your claims honestly and make it clear as to what the actual evidence is and is not.
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Or, you can just tell people to "Apply directly to the forehead!" and let them do the math. Incorrectly.
 
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casebro said:
Perhaps you don't know the homeo shorthand? 5X is not 50:1, it's a 10:1 dilution, five times in a row- 10x10x10x10x10, or, 100,000 to one.
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Yes, I just looked up one non-homeopathy spray for hayfever. Contains Xylometazoline hydrochloride (1.0 mg/mL). If the same product was sold as a homeopathic spray then it would be listed as 3X. 5X is only 100 times more dilute, which is why I said it was hardly homeopathic. But even then the active ingredient is so dilute as to be ineffective which is why I said above substance in it was alcohol which is the solvent. If it was truly homeopathic then it would be 30C or something which is a dilution of 1 followed by 60 zeros to one. It would also have only one "active" ingredient, not several.

Ref: http://www.otrivin.com.au/productdetails/otrivine-nasal-spray?
 
Not quite on topic, but something that occurs to me.

Is the list of ingredients on products supposed to be indicative rather than exhaustive? I just wonder how manufacturers can get away with selling, for instance, 30C Arnica, which will have no discernible trace of Arnica in it?

If I see a list of ingredients, I kind of expect all those things to be in there. If I bought a ham sandwich with no ham in it, I would be rightly annoyed, and could probably claim for false labelling or something.

I assume that medicines are somehow different?
 
Worm said:
If I see a list of ingredients, I kind of expect all those things to be in there. If I bought a ham sandwich with no ham in it, I would be rightly annoyed, and could probably claim for false labelling or something.
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A perfectly fine hameopathic sandwich. You're just a shill for Big Parma. :covereyes
 
Worm said:
Not quite on topic, but something that occurs to me.

Is the list of ingredients on products supposed to be indicative rather than exhaustive? I just wonder how manufacturers can get away with selling, for instance, 30C Arnica, which will have no discernible trace of Arnica in it?

If I see a list of ingredients, I kind of expect all those things to be in there. If I bought a ham sandwich with no ham in it, I would be rightly annoyed, and could probably claim for false labelling or something.

I assume that medicines are somehow different?
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In Colorado some medical marijuana vendors list the entire hydroponics media and nutrient mix as "ingredients" of a container containing a flower cut from a plant. I don't know why, but suspect it's in compliance with the letter of some law or another.
 
Worm said:
Not quite on topic, but something that occurs to me.

Is the list of ingredients on products supposed to be indicative rather than exhaustive? I just wonder how manufacturers can get away with selling, for instance, 30C Arnica, which will have no discernible trace of Arnica in it?

If I see a list of ingredients, I kind of expect all those things to be in there. If I bought a ham sandwich with no ham in it, I would be rightly annoyed, and could probably claim for false labelling or something.

I assume that medicines are somehow different?
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How do you know that the sandwich never touch ham? That mere touch makes the sandwich extra hammy by being a dilution 100X of actual ham. Homeopathicly, you should be paying extra for all that additional hamminess.
 
abaddon said:
How do you know that the sandwich never touch ham? That mere touch makes the sandwich extra hammy by being a dilution 100X of actual ham. Homeopathicly, you should be paying extra for all that additional hamminess.
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I've been thinking of selling homeopathic-ham as a method of making non-kosher meals into kosher one. One dilutes a mix of ham, shellfish, milk+beef, etc. 30C. Then any observant Jewish or Muslim person can carry the product around, stir it in with any meal, and it will suck the violating ingredients right out of any non-kosher or non-halal food.

What do you think?

BTW- I am Jewish, at least by heritage if not by belief, so I am not making fun of Judaism (or Islam). I am making fun of all religions.
 
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