Scientologists ambush Andreas Lund, and get DESTROYED.

On every video Ive ever watched with torry on it, her voice is so shrill that the scientologists should rightly surrender rather than hearing it!

Im WAY glad she's on our side!!!
 
"Thanks for your interest in Google Video
Currently the playback feature of Google Video isn't available in your country.
We hope to make this feature available more widely in the future, and we really appreciate your patience."

Anybody know anywhere else that this video is available?
 
Where's an animated .GIF of Jon Stewart rubbing his nipples? Seems somehow appropriate here.
 
The best part of it is the results. Joel Phillips (the interviewer) runs religiousfreedomwatch.org, which (as XenuTV says) smears critics of scientology.

The interview is on XenuTV in its entirety. It has not been posted on Phillips' site at all.
 
Wow, I didn't know the man behind xenu.net is Norwegian.

Suddenly I feel a lot of pride :D
 
A quote from religiousfreedomwatch.org's 'file' on Andreas Lund :

Religious Freedom Watch interviewed Andreas Heldal-Lund when he traveled to the U.S. in 2004 to participate in hate marches at several Scientology churches. When asked if he feels any sense of responsibility for the consequences of his anti-religious rhetoric, Heldal-Lund stated that “free speech carries no responsibility.” With this as his philosophy, it is no wonder that the targets of his hatred fear for their safety.

http://religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund/Lund06.html

That's what they had to say about the interview? Now that's funny :p

ETA :

Finally he claims that Religious Freedom Watch doesn’t link to his site. Why should one bother to link to a site that is all opinions, has no facts, and is a platform for hatred.

http://religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund/Lund07.html

That's so ironic!

If I didn't know better, I'd believe this was a parody site :p
 
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"Thanks for your interest in Google Video
Currently the playback feature of Google Video isn't available in your country.
We hope to make this feature available more widely in the future, and we really appreciate your patience."

Anybody know anywhere else that this video is available?

What? What sort of error message is that? It's the internet. Why should your location prevent you from accessing the file? Maybe you should try changing your Google options saying you are from America and see what that does.
 
What? What sort of error message is that? It's the internet. Why should your location prevent you from accessing the file? Maybe you should try changing your Google options saying you are from America and see what that does.

Probably not going to work. He is in China.
 
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What? What sort of error message is that? It's the internet. Why should your location prevent you from accessing the file? Maybe you should try changing your Google options saying you are from America and see what that does.

That is an interest thing.

Is there a business reason google would refuse service?
 
"Thanks for your interest in Google Video
Currently the playback feature of Google Video isn't available in your country.
We hope to make this feature available more widely in the future, and we really appreciate your patience."

Anybody know anywhere else that this video is available?

The video was posted at xenutv.com; that site has a bunch of interesting videos of Scientologists in action.

That's where I watched it--for some reason, Google video doesn't play nicely with Linux. (the audio and video goes out of sync.)
 
The video was posted at xenutv.com; that site has a bunch of interesting videos of Scientologists in action.

That's where I watched it--for some reason, Google video doesn't play nicely with Linux. (the audio and video goes out of sync.)
Oh yeah, I watched the whole interview Ted Koppel did with David Miscavige.

For some reason, I find stuff like that fascinating. Maybe just watching people who believe crazy things try and pretend they're rational.

Yes. Google was given the choice of either censoring itself in China, or not being there at all.
Not surprising. If the government's methods don't hold up to scrutiny, they have to prevent their people from being able to discuss and scrutinize them. Thus, dictatorship or faulty government is always accompanied by censorship.
 
This is a big fat bump. I think a lot of new people would appreciate this vid.
 
A quote from religiousfreedomwatch.org's 'file' on Andreas Lund :



http://religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund/Lund06.html

That's what they had to say about the interview? Now that's funny :p

ETA :



http://religiousfreedomwatch.org/extremists/lund/Lund07.html

That's so ironic!

If I didn't know better, I'd believe this was a parody site :p

LOL, 100% agreed.

These guys were decimated! By the end he turned he same yellow as his shirt!

You've got to love it when a person who doesn't speak well in another's idiom makes perfect sense when the other doesn't seem to understand an inch of logic.

EDIT: Actually, come to think of it, if Lund had the means to lawfully attack this website on their spin and lies, he'd tear it asunder. But if I think about this much more, I'll become depressed about our system.
 
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I emailed Lund about the video, his website, and this thread, and I got a reply from him. In his reply he quoted me and replied to those specific parts, so I'm combining both of ours, with his replies in bold.

Recently on a forum I frequent, you've been mentioned[ <-this word was a link to this thread], about an interview that took place over two years ago.


I hate listening to that one, still surprised it gets so much attention.


All of us here who consider ourselves skeptics, the movement which started in the 70's, are cheering you on, buddy.

Thank you, Jref means a lot to me and Randi has been one of my big inspirations. Had the luck to meet him once in Norway many years ago which was very cool.


You probably receive emails like this plenty of times, but I still felt motivated to tell you I consider you a champion on this issue for the facts and honesty you present.

My suggestion, a question: why do you not pay someone, or start a donation charity, to contract personal web page designers to make your website as professional as possible? I understand that your content speaks for itself, but sadly many people in our society do indeed judge a book by its cover. I think any sort of spin-esque flak you get for the asthetic upgrade would be worth it.


I agree my site is overdue for a cleanup and redesign. I have it planned, hopefully during 2007. Since I have had to be prepared to move the site and have multiple mirrors I have based it on hardcoded HTML. Since it seems like the cult has given up closing me down I am considering moving to PHP and a better publishing tool. It is a lot of work to maintain this old structure.

But I don't want to mix money into this. I've deliberately only spent only my own money so far to avoid being accused of doing this for the money.


A professional, educationally-appearing site really will aid people who get their opinions mostly from their friends, and who are almost always superficial about their choices regarding issues such as these.

I agree.

Anyway, I give you the best of regards, and hope very much that one day you'll find yourself looking at a the fruit of your work, as the Church of Scientology becomes finally, lawfully responsible for their unethical, charlatan behavior.


Thank you for your kind words and support, it means more than you can ever imagine.


-Ryan Hicks, US Navy Hospital Corpsman

He ends his reply with this signature:

Best wishes,
Andreas Heldal-Lund # home.online.no/~heldal # www.xenu.net
Phone: +47 88 00 66 66 # Address: Postboks 131, N-4098 Tananger, Norway
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I do not believe there is a meaning of life,
but I find it meaningful to live.
-----------------------------------------[Levi Fragell, President IHEU]----
 
Thanks to all revealers of truth...

This video is really a great one... I haven't been that troubled by these people before but having seen this, and many others like it, videos on the subject I have to say that my sence of indignation is increasing. The people of this suppused church are really out to quiet there opponents which in a free society can never be tolerated.... Thanks to all you people out there shining the light on this and many other woo-wooers, you have my fullest regard!! Heja skandinavien :)
 
Three Cheers for Andreas

Indeed, he is a model of good debate. He keeps his composure so well. I wish I had that characteristic!

I worked for Scientologists ages ago in LA (Survival Insurance). They shoved LRon down your throats as a work requirement. We were situated behind the older Scientology building in Hollywood and the whole black clad physical labor stuff that was on display on Fountain Avenue was postively creepy. These people are NOT right in the head. I am so glad Andreas is out there doing this fine work.

BUMP!!!!
 

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