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Scientism??

A good example of scientism is someone saying that science will fix this or that in the future.

Well, maybe, maybe not. Since it is the future, they nor the other person really knows.

Another example would be someone putting forth the notion that science is the most important subject, rather than just a very important subject.
 
Who is attempting to present evolution as a universal theory of reality?
Who is making the dubious assertion that the totality of human existence can be explained through evolution?

Did they provide examples? References?

Sounds like a straw man to me.
Actually, it sounds like the long-discredited Scientific Materialism so beloved of the old Marxist-Leninists and militant atheists. Not too many of those left these days, though I've known a few. They're usually cranks.

They tend to reduce all psychology to "extended instinct" or "complex reflex", and claim categorically that they can prove (or have proven) that there is no such thing as God or the supernatural. A lot of them tend to be pretty woo-woo as well, accepting things like telepathy and telekinesis, claiming that they're not-yet-understood natural phenomena, and the results of natural human evolution.
 
I had only been exposed to the negative meaning of scientism, in that it is the application of the scientific method to areas which it is unsuitable, such as philosophy. The first time was at a discusison between B. F. Skinner and the philosophy professor who served as a model for the critic in Walden Two. He and Skinner had taught together at Indiana U., I believe.
He cited Behaviorism as an instance of scientism. I asked if someone could explain what scientism was.
Skinner replied, "Well, I surely can't."
The philosopher said it was the use of scientific methods where inappropriate, as in the study of human behavior, where free will made it impossible.
Apparently, there is a more neutral meaning which just says that scientism is the point of view that the our chosen subject matter ought to be studied scientifically - reliable public observations, experiments where possible, falsifiable questions and the lot.
 
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Personally, I'm hoping that some member of the school's faculty would actually respond to this one (since they are the ones being collectively accused of being guilty of this).

-Elektrix
 
Yeah, that's my concern too. I'd love to try and do a detailed refutation like what Rasmus did, but there isn't really the space for it. And if I did just try and highlight the essential strawman, I think the overall point might be missed.

I think it seems clear that the point of this opinion piece isn't really to address this concept of "scientism", but to try and frame actual scientific theories in light of "scientism" and thus try and discredit it that way, without having to just come out and say it, which would reveal what the real agenda is.
Wouldn't just saying what you wrote now, with a bit more words, then be exactly what is needed?

You know, just come out and say that the entire article doesn't make sense, and is obviously trying to push a different agenda, which is religion.
 
Wouldn't just saying what you wrote now, with a bit more words, then be exactly what is needed?

You know, just come out and say that the entire article doesn't make sense, and is obviously trying to push a different agenda, which is religion.

Elektrix said:
Personally, I'm hoping that some member of the school's faculty would actually respond to this one (since they are the ones being collectively accused of being guilty of this).

This indicates to me that more is needed, than just a reference to a hidden agenda. I still can't seem to grasp just how many things are wrong with this drivel; I never even thought that some of the professors might want to takew offense on a rather personal level.

Rasmus.
 
This is as short as I could get it:

A Place for Science at the University Level
Philosophy – A Science?
Kevin Lowell paints a grim picture of a phenomenon he calls “scientism”. He goes on to bemoan that scientism views philosophy and religion as irrelevant. It is the aim of all good philosophy to adhere to the same strict principles as all science, and often to go beyond these in the more theoretical contemplations of what others might carelessly call “reality”. But even though philosophy is repeatedly described as unscientific, this is just one of the many objections I have to the original article.

Other Truths
The reader is told that scientism illegitimately “seek to shut down any other form of rational inquiry or debate”. The reader, and I suspect there would be many a follower of scientism among them – is not told just what these other forms of “rational inquiry or debate” are. How can we arrive at knowledge and “truth” with any degree of certainty without following the scientific method?

I suspect that these truths would amount to no more than mere opinion. And whilst anyone is entitles to their opinion, an opinion that goes contrary to what science or the scientific method tells us, is hardly the kind of truth that I would expect to be taught or even accepted in a university. It certainly is not the kind of truth that adheres to my (and science's) standards of what makes a notion true.

Are you a scientismist?
The article accuses members of the academic staff of promoting scientism in their lectures. Again, no examples are given and no names are named. A higher degree of not only intellectual honesty as well as scientific precision is called for and I am looking forward to the responses from some of the professors.

Evolution and Clever Apes
This part finally appears to repeal what the author's beef is with scientism. He has a personal dislike of what he believes to be one of the consequences of evolution. I will not go into why evolution has nothing to do with scientism and everything to do with science; but I will point out that is wrong to reject a scientific theory only because one doesn't like it. Nothing could be more unscientific. (I will also not go into why it is not a shortcoming that a scientific theory is a theory.)

It appears to be the author's opinion that if evolution was true, then humans and the human experience would not be special any more. Again, this is hardly an argument against the truth of the theory of evolution. Furthermore, this opinion of his is not dictated by the branch of philosophy that is logic. So I will offer an opinion of my own, fully aware that it is nothing more than this, but proud of the fact that it doesn't require for possible truths to adjust to it:
There is no master plan for the universe, no preset course of events that the cosmos should adhere to. Hence, there can be no accidents diverting from this course. Coincidental as it may be, my existence is no accident. My existence and that of the world around me is amazing, awe inspiring and fantastic in its own right. There is no need for a higher purpose as I can give my life meaning and purpose. That you might not like this view, doesn't make it wrong.

Evolution describes me as a clever ape, but it doesn't reduce me to a clever ape. This is a value judgement inherent to the authors worldview, but not one dictated by science and and it certainly is not substantiated by the author himself.

"Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too?" - Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy


Rasmus.
 
Wow, excellent Rasmus. It's too bad you aren't a student or professor here, that would have been a great response.

-Elektrix
 
However, scientism lacks the tools necessary to answer some questions. The scientific method is restricted to the quantifiable and as such is incapable of providing answers to the most penetrating questions regarding human existence and the purpose of life. For the answers to these questions, we appropriately turn to metaphysical inquiry, that is, philosophy and religion.
Philosophy and religion lack the tools necessary to answer the questions too. The trouble is, proponents of philosophy and religion just make up answers to those questions and present them as fact.
 
Philosophy and religion lack the tools necessary to answer the questions too. The trouble is, proponents of philosophy and religion just make up answers to those questions and present them as fact.

Hrmm, wow, now that's an excellent point as well. I really didn't even notice that, but you're right - essentially, he was setting up this idea of "scientism" as being some evil misuse of science to claim the answers to all things and how wrong that was, while also basically implying that religion and philosophy had those answers.

I think idea might be a good foundation to base something on, and I can probably fit that into a 150 word letter.

-Elektrix
 
Philosophy and religion lack the tools necessary to answer the questions too. The trouble is, proponents of philosophy and religion just make up answers to those questions and present them as fact.
Grrrrrrrr!

Editet to include quote since Elektrix was too quick.
 
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Wow, excellent Rasmus. It's too bad you aren't a student or professor here, that would have been a great response.

-Elektrix
I think Rasmus won't mind if you'd use his text as an example of how to respond.
 
Not at all!

Thanks, although I think I'd probably want to avoid that - don't want to run the risk of plagiarism, or even of just passing off someone else's ideas as my own.

I think for the time being I am going to try and do something shorter and just to address one of the points.

-Elektrix
 
Thanks, although I think I'd probably want to avoid that - don't want to run the risk of plagiarism, or even of just passing off someone else's ideas as my own.

I think for the time being I am going to try and do something shorter and just to address one of the points.

More power to you in that case!

But as long as oyu mention my name you run no risk of plagiarising anything or passing it as your own. and even if you didn't, I won't send any lawyers your way unless this piece earns a purlitzer price ....
 
... I won't send any lawyers your way unless this piece earns a purlitzer price ....
Pulitzer?

(Sorry, but when you're mentioning an award for literary achievement, a spelling mistake can't go uncommented :p)
 
Pulitzer?

(Sorry, but when you're mentioning an award for literary achievement, a spelling mistake can't go uncommented :p)

I was considering to look up how it's spelled, then I tought I would just make a coment on my probably-wrong spelling myself. But in the end I concluded to not spoil everyone's fun and just take the risk of having it right.
 
I was considering to look up how it's spelled, then I tought I would just make a coment on my probably-wrong spelling myself. But in the end I concluded to not spoil everyone's fun and just take the risk of having it right.
Well, I had to look up the exact spelling too, but at least I was sure it didn't need an "R" in front of the "L".
 

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