Cont: School shooting Florida - pt 2

[smartcooky]

Gravity hopper

Would still require a mechanism to push the bolt/slide home. Otherwise a gravity hopper would be fine if the shooter worked the action manually. Whether the cartridges come from the top or the bottom is irrelevant.

electronic tiny slide

An electro-mechanical device is still a mechanism, therefore, would be illegal

Just got around your law

No, you didn't

try again.

Right back at ya!

 

[Darat]

The circumstances between those countries is completely different, so copy and paste would not work.

...snip...

You've got hold of the wrong end of the stick. What was being discussed was definitions in legislation not how such legislation would be put into place or how it would be policed. Two very different things.

 

[jimbob]

Gravity hopper and electronic tiny slide.

Just got around your law, try again.

This is the post to which you are responding. but with my highlighting

Yep. First you will have to create a legal definition of what they are.
e.g. (but not definitive)
Assault Rifle:
1. Any rifle in which rounds are automatically chambered by any kind of mechanism.

2. Any rifle which will fire consecutive shots without requiring the operator to manually re-cock the rifle.

Then you make the sale and ownership of those weapons illegal, and the Government runs an amnesty with an offer to buy back any privately owned weapons. After 12 months, anyone caught in possession of an Assault Rifle has ALL their weapons confiscated, they lose their right to own firearms, and then they are prosecuted (facing possible jail time).

Notice the "not definitive"

It's a first pass example, and would obviously change during the review process.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

I can't find it now, but I was seeing earlier tonight about an ex-marine and MAGA-type who made a video of himself shooting at a cardboard cutout of David Hogg.

Yeah, that's right. Trump supporter, classy NRA guy is making a big deal about shooting the picture of a guy who survived a school shooting.

The day of the shooting, David Hogg was at home and heard about something going on at the school and thought that this can’t be another mass shooting. He grabbed his camera and rode his bike three miles as fast as he could to school and hide in a closet with the other students, filming their reactions.

He’s not a survivor. The students who were shot and survived are survivors. The students who saw Cruz on campus that day but didn’t get shot are witnesses. David Hogg is neither. He’s a liar and a tool for the anti-gun nutters.

Still, shooting a cardboard cutout of him is bad optics. It gives ammunition to the gun control freaks.

 

[CompusMentus]

The day of the shooting, David Hogg was at home and heard about something going on at the school and thought that this can’t be another mass shooting. He grabbed his camera and rode his bike three miles as fast as he could to school and hide in a closet with the other students, filming their reactions.

He’s not a survivor. The students who were shot and survived are survivors. The students who saw Cruz on campus that day but didn’t get shot are witnesses. David Hogg is neither. He’s a liar and a tool for the anti-gun nutters.....

Maybe not?

Snopes' explanation...........HERE

Compus

 

[Dr. Keith]

Maybe not?

Snopes' explanation...........HERE

Compus

And since some may think that Snopes is unreliable, here is the redstate story on this, with correction that blames CBS.

 

[johnny karate]

The day of the shooting, David Hogg was at home and heard about something going on at the school and thought that this can’t be another mass shooting. He grabbed his camera and rode his bike three miles as fast as he could to school and hide in a closet with the other students, filming their reactions.

He’s not a survivor. The students who were shot and survived are survivors. The students who saw Cruz on campus that day but didn’t get shot are witnesses. David Hogg is neither. He’s a liar and a tool for the anti-gun nutters.

I am sincerely embarrassed for you.

 

[smartcooky]

The day of the shooting, David Hogg was at home and heard about something going on at the school and thought that this can’t be another mass shooting. He grabbed his camera and rode his bike three miles as fast as he could to school and hide in a closet with the other students, filming their reactions.

He’s not a survivor. The students who were shot and survived are survivors. The students who saw Cruz on campus that day but didn’t get shot are witnesses. David Hogg is neither. He’s a liar and a tool for the anti-gun nutters.

Wow. What an embarrassment to humanity and the rest of 'Merica your lies are. The gun nuts must be really desperate to be making up stuff like this.

But go ahead, don't mind us... just keep on digging.

Still, shooting a cardboard cutout of him is bad optics.

Its more that just bad optics, it shows just what fanatic gun nuts really are... uncivilized savages!

 

[jimbob]

Wow. What an embarrassment to humanity and the rest of 'Merica your lies are. The gun nuts must be really desperate to be making up stuff like this.

But go ahead, don't mind us... just keep on digging.



Its more that just bad optics, it shows just what fanatic gun nuts really are... uncivilized savages!

You are blaspheming against their faith.

(I am actually not being sarcastic, I genuinely think that explains their attitude)

 

[Andy_Ross]

You are blaspheming against their faith.

(I am actually not being sarcastic, I genuinely think that explains their attitude)

Indeed. Guns are a religion. Children are the sacrifice made to keep them.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

Maybe not?

Snopes' explanation...........HERE

Compus

Then I guess CBS shouldn't try to mislead the public. Interesting that the Snopes debunking says that he had his talking points about the NRA by 6 pm. and, evidently, his parent's permission to ride his bike back to an active crime scene alone and a signed release so he could be interviewed on air. Still not a survivor and barely a witness.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

I am sincerely embarrassed for you.

Why? If Snopes is right, CBS shouldn't broadcast David Hogg quotes out of context. But their best evidence that the quote was taken out of context is the fact that he's said he was in class in other interviews. Well, that's what liars do, give conflicting information.

 

[Meadmaker]

Why? If Snopes is right, CBS shouldn't broadcast David Hogg quotes out of context. But their best evidence that the quote was taken out of context is the fact that he's said he was in class in other interviews. Well, that's what liars do, give conflicting information.

That's stupid.

 

[Meadmaker]

The interesting thing about the personal attacks on David Hogg et. al. is that they are so utterly irrelevant. Who cares? Even if they were true? Who the heck is David Hogg anyway? I'm confident I would never have known the kid's name if it weren't for right wing bloggers attacking him.

Emma Gonzalez is a bit different. I've seen video of two of her speeches. They were extremely powerful. That sort of speaking can really attract people to your cause, or energize people who are already there. Even then, they aren't policy statements. Powerful speeches never are. Martin Luther King didn't say, "I have a dream, that section 3.903.87 of the US code shall be amended to allow civil damages and recovery of attorney fees in the event of housing discrimination....." Neither did Emma Gonzalez provide details. She just provided some extremely powerful words to remind people how important the issue is.

But Hogg? Er......who was he again? Was he the actor,who played Motl in the school play? Or was that, can't recall his name, but it starts with k and ends with sky.

What is it with the personal attacks? They are so easily refuted, but why do they exist in the first place? I suppose it's to divert people from the real issue.

As best I recall, the real issue is that some loser went into a school and killed seventeen people, and wounded fifteen others. That's 32 hits in 6 minutes and 10 seconds, or one hit every 11 seconds. Remind me again why any civilian needs to fire 32 shots, ever? So, why do we even sell those guns? And of course, he probably missed a whole bunch, too. Probably more than he hit. So, why on Earth would we allow possession of that weapon?

Note that the above questions about guns makes no references to any specific survivors, because that's pretty unimportant. For rallying people to the cause, it's good to remind people that this isn't some theoretical exercise, that the shooter is affecting real people, but other than that, there's no reason to attack the Parkland kids. But if you are going to attack them, might I at least suggest truth. Otherwise, you just make them that more powerful. It proves you have an irrational hatred of them, but you have no actual argument against them. You can't outdebate some teenagers, so you have to make up, or repeat, lies about them.

 

[Aridas]

Then I guess CBS shouldn't try to mislead the public.

Indeed.

Interesting that the Snopes debunking says that he had his talking points about the NRA by 6 pm.

First, what talking points about the NRA are you talking about? In the relevant interview, he doesn't even mention the NRA.

Second, "by 6 PM?" You sound like you think that he existed in an innocent vacuum, free from contact with issues related to guns, gun control, and school shootings, despite having attested to having been taught about such weapons by his father, who works in law enforcement, and being well aware of significant efforts that the school had been making to reduce the danger, and then suddenly was fed lines practically on the scene, rather than becoming notably more passionate about the issue while hiding in a closet while hearing gunshots nearby and the aftermath from such.

and, evidently, his parent's permission to ride his bike back to an active crime scene alone and a signed release so he could be interviewed on air.

You're not getting that from snopes. On what basis do you make these particular claims, especially the part attributing them to snopes?

Still not a survivor and barely a witness.

What counts as a survivor to you? Only those who were directly fired at or wounded?

ETA:

The interesting thing about the personal attacks on David Hogg et. al. is that they are so utterly irrelevant. Who cares? Even if they were true? Who the heck is David Hogg anyway? I'm confident I would never have known the kid's name if it weren't for right wing bloggers attacking him.

I certainly wouldn't have cared. Still don't, really. But hey, when those people are so insistent on showing off how much they want to draw more attention to the issue of gun violence, it's well worth seriously questioning their actual motives and intelligence. David Hogg is still pretty much a nobody, either way, though.

It proves you have an irrational hatred of them, but you have no actual argument against them. You can't outdebate some teenagers, so you have to make up, or repeat, lies about them.

It's certainly sad to see in action.

 

[jimbob]

That's stupid.

It makes perfect sense if you look at it from a position of faith in the religion of the gun.

Gun control is blasphemous and its advocates are infidels and enemies of the faith, deserving of a crusade against the unrighteousness.

Axiomatically, the unrighteousness will only tell the truth in service of a bigger lie, so you can discount anything they say.

 

[Checkmite]

The day of the shooting, David Hogg was at home and heard about something going on at the school and thought that this can’t be another mass shooting. He grabbed his camera and rode his bike three miles as fast as he could to school and hide in a closet with the other students, filming their reactions.

Just walked up into the locked-down school, and through some random classroom's locked door. Impressive feat.

 

[Aridas]

Just walked up into the locked-down school, and through some random classroom's locked door. Impressive feat.

Having mutant powers like Shadowcat or Nightcrawler makes a lot of hijinks so much easier. Isn't it great to live in a universe like that?

 

[solfe]

So much in this thread.

My two cents... When children complain, don't engage unless you have some sort of teachable moment, commentary or advice. Double down if you have an audience of any kind.

As for Mr. Hogg's dismissive points about adults and democracy, the teachable moment would have been to explain that the United States embraces democracy but there is a distinction. We have a republic, which is a bit different.

Your home state may be more democratic than republican in nature, so your mileage will vary. Florida for the record, likes more democratic participation, so it is a vague republic with some very strong electorate involvement.

 

[bruto]

Then I guess CBS shouldn't try to mislead the public. Interesting that the Snopes debunking says that he had his talking points about the NRA by 6 pm. and, evidently, his parent's permission to ride his bike back to an active crime scene alone and a signed release so he could be interviewed on air. Still not a survivor and barely a witness.

"Barely" a witness? Was he there or wasn't he? If he was there, and not a survivor, was he killed? So he got permission to ride back and a release from his parents, perhaps indicating that he had an axe to grind and a political stance, and quite possible as is often the case in families that he shared that position with his parents, and yes, perhaps even saw the tragedy as an opportunity to promote it. So what? Everyone has an opinion. Some opinions conflict with yours, and the mature thing might be to argue them rather than to vilify their proponents, to call them liars and frauds. Even if you can make the case that he's just plain wrong, this does not mean he was not where he was, or that he did not do what he did.