Merged School Secretary Persecuted For Making Porn

[Limbero]

Should he be?

Yes he should, he's been a very naughty boy, and he needs a spanking. If you take care of that, I'll give the secretary the same punishment.

 

[JFrankA]

Considering it's illegal to, by the rules, yes.

Really, no.

Agreed.

 

[bigred]

So, she acts in a porn movie in her personal time, what's the problem with that?

You're kidding, I hope. How about because teachers are or can be a huge influence/role model to kids? Oh I forgot, nobody cares about that kind of thing any more, since the apparent overall goal of our society for decades has been a continual lowering of standards in nearly all ways, ultimately to the point where basically anything goes. And sex? Sex is just something to make jokes about and take casually and that above all should get a "whatever" attitude. Why stop there? How about hookers for teachers? How about pimps? Hey you could really have fun w/this!

Plus the only role model kids ever have is their parents, right?

Riiiight.

All jobs are not exactly the same; therefore the employees should not all be treated exactly the same or have exactly the same criteria. To think so is an extreme and foolish oversimplification.

 

[Arcade22]

And a 14 year old saw her in such a movie, on an adult site, no less. What about him and his parents?

Yes, what about them?

How come he was able to get on that site, and to see that movie in the first place?

I guess he had access to a computer and browsed a pornographic website where he viewed the movie. How much more complex could it get?

Uncaring parents?

And how exactly were the parents "uncaring" if they knew their son viewed porn and allowed it?

 

[Sledge]

You're kidding, I hope. How about because teachers are or can be a huge influence/role model to kids?

Please explain how having sex makes one an unsuitable role model.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

There was recently a person fired for posting naughty pictures on the M4M section of craigslist. It was also under a morality clause.

I mean, would any student find these things if they weren't already looking for dirty things ? Why do educational professionals need to care if other people view their past sex lives or sex work as unprofessional? I'm just very confused.

 

[porch]

I don't think the internet is the same as "in public". I have a right to take a stroll through the park without seeing someone masturbating. Maybe if I chose which park to go to by looking at a map that was labelled "safe parks: off", and when I got there, walked down a pathway marked "18+ only", then walked down another branch of the path whose sign said "masturbators masturbating" . . . then we might have a relevant analogy.

 

[porch]

Sex should stay in the car, where it belongs.

 

[Joey McGee]

But it went against their "mission and values" and "bothered a lot of parents"

In a secular democracy you need to have rules and regulations if you want to regulate legal behavior in your employees or members. You need to clarify which legal behaviors are unacceptable for eligibility so we can have a battle over it on legal grounds. Especially when it's a public institution.

You could say secular moralism is like a religion in this case that needs to whipped by the Charter. She might not have a case I don't know, but it seems wrong.

 

[Childlike Empress]

You're kidding, I hope. How about because teachers are or can be a huge influence/role model to kids? Oh I forgot, ...

... that she is a secretary.

 

[JFrankA]

You're kidding, I hope. How about because teachers are or can be a huge influence/role model to kids? Oh I forgot, nobody cares about that kind of thing any more, since the apparent overall goal of our society for decades has been a continual lowering of standards in nearly all ways, ultimately to the point where basically anything goes. And sex? Sex is just something to make jokes about and take casually and that above all should get a "whatever" attitude. Why stop there? How about hookers for teachers? How about pimps? Hey you could really have fun w/this!

Plus the only role model kids ever have is their parents, right?

Riiiight.

All jobs are not exactly the same; therefore the employees should not all be treated exactly the same or have exactly the same criteria. To think so is an extreme and foolish oversimplification.

A) You did read that she is NOT a teacher but a secretary?

B) Not everyone that a child meets is supposed to be a role model. Please. You know who becomes a "role model" to a child? Anyone who the child chooses to be. If I recall, there were a lot of high school teacher who, whether they did porn or not, would not change my thoughts of them being a "role model" or not. This whole "role model" angel is nothing but a straw man.

C) What is so wrong with sex?

D) What is so wrong with porn?

 

[lionking]

I don't think a porn actress should be employed in a school. I think the school acted in what it sees as the best interests of the kids. This trumps the woman's right to be a porn star.

 

[332nd]

You're kidding, I hope. How about because teachers are or can be a huge influence/role model to kids?

What about secretaries?

Oh I forgot, nobody cares about that kind of thing any more, since the apparent overall goal of our society for decades has been a continual lowering of standards in nearly all ways, ultimately to the point where basically anything goes.

Yeah, like when we legalized ra... murd... thef... prost... mar... wait, what?

And sex? Sex is just something to make jokes about and take casually and that above all should get a "whatever" attitude.

If the parties involved are consenting adults... yes.

Why stop there? How about hookers for teachers? How about pimps? Hey you could really have fun w/this!

Yeah next they'll be allowing gay teachers, or teachers who are swingers, or into bdsm.

Plus the only role model kids ever have is their parents, right?

Riiiight.

So all teachers/secretaries who are into/have done something that parents find inappropriate should be fired? I wonder how many military vets teach...

All jobs are not exactly the same; therefore the employees should not all be treated exactly the same or have exactly the same criteria. To think so is an extreme and foolish oversimplification.

BOW TO THE MORAL OUTRAGE CARD!! ON YOUR KNEES!!

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Why shouldn't a porn actress be in a school?

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

C) What is so wrong with sex?

D) What is so wrong with porn?

Can't challenge cultural mores!!!!!!!..


.. at least that's what I think he means.

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

That's actually dangerously untrue.
HIV, and other sexually transmitted diseases often have a window period up to several months where they may not be detected by tests.

So? You can still die doing a stunt for a movie despite the best possible safety equipment. It does not follow from this that being a stuntperson is unreasonably risky compared to other jobs, nor that stuntpersons are bad people.

Aside from that, they do not protect against unwanted pregnancy.

So? It seems obvious to me that in a world that has many different forms of contraception other than condoms that porn performers can protect against pregnancy in all sorts of ways other than by using condoms.

 

[Halfcentaur]

Even before the interwebs, porn was being passed round at my school. I think I saw soft porn photos at primary, aged 11. By 14 it was hard-core Scandinavian magazines. Very educational...surely all schools should employ porn stars? Or are we still stuck with the notion that there is some education young people should be protected from?

The first time I remember seeing porn was when I was 4 and I saw my dad and his poker buddies watching it as I peeked through a window. When I was 6 or 7 I found a deck of hardcore pornographic playing cards in the woods. I found a trash bag full of dozens of magazines in the creek when I was 9. I used to be obsessed with turtles as a kid and teenager and I frequently found porn under bridges in the country when I was on a turtle expedition. I didn't really know any kids who had not seen porn when I was a kid.

This was in the 80s and early 90s. Now we have the internet. Expecting kids to not see porn is silly, and it's not by any means condoning children to look at porn to acknowledge it.

I don't think a secretary at a high school should be considered a role model or bothered for this sort of thing.

 

[Halfcentaur]

Something I've always wondered is who is looking at all this porn in the woods?

 

[Worm]

I don't think porn actresses should be banned from being employed in schools, but if that's what this school wants to do, well it's up to them.

The thing is, they didn't do that. They could have, but they didn't. Any evidence that there is a 'no porn' clause in her contract? Doubt it.

They have decided, post hoc, that they don't want to employ this woman, who has broken no law, done nothing (as far as we know) in breach of her contract, and simply doesn't fit some very outdated moral stereotype that isn't defined, and can simply be made up and amended as and when they feel like it.

Great example to the youngsters.

 

[Weak Kitten]

I do wonder what happened in the closed door negotiations that took place between her and the school board. Also I wonder what exactly her contract contained that allowed them to fire her like this. It could be that the school board themselves are the ones acting illegally in this instance.

Personally I am not fond of employment contracts that require the employees to conform to specific types of behavior even outside of office hours. However these contracts are perfectly legal as long as they are clear. If they are willing to pay extra in exchange for controlling their employees' personal lives then that is fine.