Savagery at LC
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JimBenArm
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Alareth
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Look up Pentacon in the search function here. Luckily a few of the regulars here watched it all, and provided enough of a critique that you will not need to, or want to watch it.
Do this first, before you WASTE your time.
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Guess here is as good a place as any to put a little background on myself.
I saw LC a few years ago (shortly after the first one came out) and wasn't too concerned nor did I give it too much thought. About 7 months ago I listened to a clip from one of my favorite radio shows (O&A) where Korey Rowe told a police officer that was there on 9/11 that he was wrong about what he saw. I went and watched LC: 2 and then found Screw Loose Change and watched it, which cleared up a lot even though there are a few weak arguements in SLC. After that, I started to look for myself at the CD theory of WTC 1, 2, and/or 7 (depending on which "truther" you talk to). I posted on the LC forums my thoughts on the likelihood and was just talked down for questioning them (so much for question everything, ey) and also accused of being a JREFer/FBI agent/uninformed. After that, I wrote a little something and sent it to the guy at Debunking 9/11 where he posted it under The Freefall Fallacy and pretty much stopped bothering because I concluded the "truthers" weren't looking for the truth. I'm a hardcore Digg user, been using it since 05, and since Rosie came out they have been trying to flood Digg with stories and accounts. At first I was in the majority on Digg where we would say something, reference it, then laugh at the weak responses. Now, they are growing in numbers and my logical arguements are generally buried or rebutted with "well, the government must have invented something for that." I've been reading the LC forums (where it seems they are starting to eat their own) and keep seeing referencing JREF and I thought I would come check it out. My problem with LCers is that they stopped searching for truth when they found what they felt to be true.
-Slugman
Guess here is as good a place as any to put a little background on myself.
I saw LC a few years ago (shortly after the first one came out) and wasn't too concerned nor did I give it too much thought. About 7 months ago I listened to a clip from one of my favorite radio shows (O&A) where Korey Rowe told a police officer that was there on 9/11 that he was wrong about what he saw. I went and watched LC: 2 and then found Screw Loose Change and watched it, which cleared up a lot even though there are a few weak arguements in SLC. After that, I started to look for myself at the CD theory of WTC 1, 2, and/or 7 (depending on which "truther" you talk to). I posted on the LC forums my thoughts on the likelihood and was just talked down for questioning them (so much for question everything, ey) and also accused of being a JREFer/FBI agent/uninformed. After that, I wrote a little something and sent it to the guy at Debunking 9/11 where he posted it under The Freefall Fallacy and pretty much stopped bothering because I concluded the "truthers" weren't looking for the truth. I'm a hardcore Digg user, been using it since 05, and since Rosie came out they have been trying to flood Digg with stories and accounts. At first I was in the majority on Digg where we would say something, reference it, then laugh at the weak responses. Now, they are growing in numbers and my logical arguements are generally buried or rebutted with "well, the government must have invented something for that." I've been reading the LC forums (where it seems they are starting to eat their own) and keep seeing referencing JREF and I thought I would come check it out. My problem with LCers is that they stopped searching for truth when they found what they felt to be true.
-Slugman
Cl1mh4224rd
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It's gotten pretty damn kooky over there on Digg. The 9/11-related stories are kind of hit-or-miss. I haven't figured out what the factors are, but there are some front-page submissions that are completely overwhelmed with nuttiness to the point that any debunker with links to images and first-hand accounts can't get a word in edge-wise ("immediately" buried), while others are comfortably "owned" by the more rational people still left.
I mainly stick to the front page stories and don't go dumpster-diving, so I can't really speak about the submissions that don't make it to the front page.
Welcome, by the way.
tacodaemon
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Yeah, but they don't deny all the evidence on the ground that shows a flight path south of the Citgo station that knocked down light poles and hit the Pentagon -- they just claim this evidence was faked and that the real plane flew by the north side of the Citgo and pulled up at the last minute to "fly over" the Pentagon while the faked explosion hid it from view. Lyte will argue with you for days about the light poles, claiming he can see cuts where they were prepped to fall over ahead of time, and insisting that a cabbie who had a light pole fall on his cab is lying and the photos "prove" it, etc. (One of these arguments led to Lyte's infamous quotation about his "see-saw analogy" that earned him a Stundie nomination last month.)
Pickering apparently was there with Merc and Lyte when they investigated the Citgo and interviewed people, but he disagrees with their conclusion that the plane had flown past the north side of the Pentagon -- his analysis of the Citgo security-camera video convinced him that a plane really did fly past the station on the south and hit the building -- and this has caused a split between him and other truthers now that the PentaCon is one of the new fads for truthers.
When Pickering asks, "They allowed this even after being aware of you enough to alter the Citgo video because of Robert's conversation with Merc?" he's basically taunting them, because one of Merc and Lyte's chief eyewitnesses who said the plane flew north of the station is not actually visible in the video at the pump where he said he was. The video shows nobody at that pump, Pickering has pointed out. So basically Pickering is saying the only way this guy's eyewitness statement to Merc and Lyte could be true is if the conspirators were aware of the Merc/Lyte investigation and went back and altered the video to erase the guy from it.
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Horatius
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This is one of the problems I have with trying to figure these guys out - Russell does make this point on several occasions, but that video is of such poor quality, I can't see a damn thing when I look at it. Does he have a better version? If not, I can't help but wonder if he's seeing what he wants to see as well.
Trying to parse out actual facts from their wishful thinking on all sides becomes quite a task.
Lyte is so full of himself. he starts it off with a nice compliment to IVXX, saying he has been doing a great job of eliminating the JREFers/Trolls, but you notice why he thinks there has been such an influx to LCF of JREFers/Trolls...lol...because of their video, Pentacon....Ego has no limits of arrogance.
TAM
Is Pentacon the film that Lyte was promising for so long? If not, did his promised blow-the-top-off film ever get released?
tacodaemon
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He says he has a good quality .wmv file he got directly from Judicial Watch but the file size is so enormous he only sends it to people who PM him on LCF and ask. A while ago he wrote a long and detailed description of what he believes he sees in the video, and when I followed along using the lower-quality YouTube version of the video, I could see the splashes of light, moving people, camera motion sensor signals, etc. that he talks about, although I don't know if he's interpreting them correctly.
ETA: The "long and detailed description" link actually is a useful post in which he sketches the layout of the gas station and gives annotated photos showing the camera locations, etc., so it does help me at least understand which parts of the gas station I'm looking at and which way the viewpoints are facing when I watch the video.
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Yes Jennie C, "The PentaCon" is the promised film. Use it if your Ambien fails to put you to sleep some night...otherwise, avoid it like the plague. You only get one go at this life, and others have wasted their hour on it, so you do not have to...trust me it is neither informative or earth shattering...and no arrests or warrants will come from it...except for theirs maybe.
TAM
jaydeehess
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Lessee, I started at 'The Blackvault' where one poster sent me to 'Proxywhore' where I thrashed the 'flight 77 could not have performed those manouvers'.
I also was given a link to "Pravda" at 'The BV' and spent some time there and was given a link to "Physorg" there.
I was also at "Apollo Hoax" and "BAUT" where talk of the meltdown at LC caused me to join LC and from there, "Pilots for ..."
It was the extreme paranoia and vitriol directed at JREF (now reffered to as the gov't loyalist site) at P4T that caused me to join here.
There was also a stint at 911blogger.