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Same missile?

MaGZ said:
In the Fox footage, I saw the missile hit in the area of the 14th floor of WTC 7. What was caught on camera as the cameraman fell was not smoke from the impact but instead debris shooting away from the building at an incredible speed. It appeared as if steel beams were flying thru the air.
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But... the pictures you show us of your alleged fire do not show any physical damage to WTC7.

Think, for Christ's sake, MaGZ. Think.
 
Okay so Magz, you have a mystery F-15 firing a missile that seems to defy ID, at a building that shows no damage consistent with missile impact, yet causes it to collapse hours later. Magz, as I am sure you are aware, we are very big on proof here. Please find me ANY legitimate info on a missile in any countries arsenal capable of doing this. Please, if you want to have your theory taken seriously, you have to show verifiable proof.
 
MaGZ said:
Look at the 11, 15, and 19 photos and you will see WTC 7 on fire near the 11 and 12 floors.
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MaGZ I have stated before in a previous post that those are NOT fires, they are reflections of the early morning sun.

I base this on 43 years of firefighting experience. Please tell me YOUR specific firefighting experience that prompts you to make this claim.
 
Hamradioguy said:
MaGZ I have stated before in a previous post that those are NOT fires, they are reflections of the early morning sun.

I base this on 43 years of firefighting experience. Please tell me YOUR specific firefighting experience that prompts you to make this claim.
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At the time WTC 7 was in a shadow that is why the fires were visible.
 
Any fool can see that building 7 is blazing away.

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MaGZ said:
In the Fox footage, I saw the missile hit in the area of the 14th floor of WTC 7.
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MaGZ,

Suppose you got your hands on the original footage. What would it have to show in order to convince you that what you saw was not a missile, but something else (debris, a bird, an optical illusion, camera artifact etc.)?
 
Quad4_72 said:
No, you didn't. Why then in the picture Gravy posted is WTC7 unscathed?
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This stuff is great! It's incredible that I get it all for free.

A guy claims that a missile--a sophisticated weapon with a powerful explosive warhead--hit a building. A photo shows absolutely no damage to the building. The guy who imagines that he saw a missile is completely unfazed by the damning evidence. He won't entertain the possibility that no missile hit the building.

What is there to say?
 
Mr.D said:
MaGZ,

Suppose you got your hands on the original footage. What would it have to show in order to convince you that what you saw was not a missile, but something else (debris, a bird, an optical illusion, camera artifact etc.)?
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He didn't see anything. Plain and simple.
 
pomeroo said:
This stuff is great! It's incredible that I get it all for free.

A guy claims that a missile--a sophisticated weapon with a powerful explosive warhead--hit a building. A photo shows absolutely no damage to the building. The guy who imagines that he saw a missile is completely unfazed by the damning evidence. He won't entertain the possibility that no missile hit the building.

What is there to say?
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I like to say that crazy people don't know that they're crazy.

Should I add that "deluded people don't want to know they're deluded?"
 
MaGZ said:
At the time WTC 7 was in a shadow that is why the fires were visible.
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Magz, do you realize you have been handed evidence and opinion be people from many different fields, many of which could rightfully claim to be experts in those fields, have been show several times that what you think happened did not. You choose to discount it all and go with something that you have no proof of. Please explain this. And just to make this an even field, please, no snarky comments from anyone. Magz, I am asking for your honest answer. Why do you choose to only believe what you THINK you saw.
 
Simple question for you, MaGZ:

Why didn't anyone hear the missiles?


It isn't like missiles are silent.

There's a military exercise area here where I work. Last week, I could hear the Army firing small, man portable missiles. I couldn't see them, and they're at least a mile from where I am (the fence is at least a mile from here.) I could hear them, though.

How loud is the explosion going to be that could destroy WTC7? How much high explosives will your missile have to carry? How big (and loud) is that missile going to be?

Q: How much noise is a missile going to make that is big enough to destroy WTC7, or punch a hole in the Pentagon?

A: Enough that everybody there was going hit the deck and go "WTF?!"


Get a grip, MaGz, get a clue. Better yet, get both. And use them.
 
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pomeroo said:
This stuff is great! It's incredible that I get it all for free.

A guy claims that a missile--a sophisticated weapon with a powerful explosive warhead--hit a building. A photo shows absolutely no damage to the building. The guy who imagines that he saw a missile is completely unfazed by the damning evidence. He won't entertain the possibility that no missile hit the building.

What is there to say?
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Well, that's easy for him to do: all he has to do is claim that he can see the fires!
 
Curious...it seems Magz has left the thread after Gravy posted his picture. Why is that?
 
Myriad said:
Most people here are critical thinkers.

What you're really asking is, where are the critically thoughtful replies to your ideas?
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Respectfully,
Myriad
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Nominated. Also, I've forwarded this to the Counsel for AntiHuman Activities to check to see if you're really human. No mortal has that much patience, YOU SOULLESS ROBOT!
 
MaGZ said:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75926

The two links to the photos no longer work. However they came from this site. Good luck in finding them.

http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/index.shtm

Look at the 11, 15, and 19 photos and you will see WTC 7 on fire near the 11 and 12 floors.
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Thanks for the links.

I'm curious though. Did Mr. Missile use the front or side entrance to WTC7? Also, did he take the stairs up to the 11th and/or 12th floor, or were the elevators still operational?

I only ask because he obviously did not take a very missile-like path and actually strike the building where you say he did, as there is no damage to the structure.

.... Just reflections of light on glass.
 
JC Fla said:
Okay so Magz, you have a mystery F-15 firing a missile that seems to defy ID, at a building that shows no damage consistent with missile impact, yet causes it to collapse hours later. Magz, as I am sure you are aware, we are very big on proof here. Please find me ANY legitimate info on a missile in any countries arsenal capable of doing this. Please, if you want to have your theory taken seriously, you have to show verifiable proof.
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I have never made the claim that a missile caused the collapse of WTC7. I believe WTC7 was a controlled demolition. I am not an expert in missiles and I can not give you any details as to what type of missile it was. I know the smoke from the missile strike was ‘white’ so this may be a clue to those familiar with various types of missiles. The white smoke is seen in the Naudet video 9/11.
 
MRC_Hans said:
How fast is the object moving? Please state how you come to your estimate of its speed.

Hans
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I do not know the precise speed of the object. However, you can compare the missile to the explosion in building WTC 2 and you will see these series of videos are in real time unlike Blue Monk’s version where he apparently has slowed down the video to fit his explanation that the missile is really a bird. Those who are good with videos and measurements would be able to come up with an estimate of how fast the object is moving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_TxzMUKwyc&mode=related&search
 
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