There is one consistent theme in your posting here, Oystein, it consists in a subtle request that posters and lurkers not examine the MIC, SAIC's and ARA's capabilities, either in general and certainly NOT in connection with 9/11 in particular. You keep saying, in substance, "don't examine the MIC."
Neither the MIC nor SAIC nor ARA can be said to be a justifiable object of discussion in this subforum, unless and until you provide the first bit of
evidence that they were involved.
Until you do, I will indeed examine the actual
evidence, and not
your assumption riddled, evidence-starved allegations.
OK, Oystein, we hear you:
Oystein wishes to be understood as not wanting posters, let alone lurkers, to examine the MIC's role, and especially not that of SAIC and ARA, in 9/11 and maybe not at all
I'll be happy for anyone to post
evidence in connection with the
events of 9/11.
If that
evidence incriminates said players, I'll consider it.
You have not provided any such evidence yet. You have made numerous
assumptions and based accusations of murder on them, that is all.
Clearly, then, Oystein does not grasp the danger posed by the MIC, does not care one wit about that danger and would really, really prefer if we would all "jist look the other way."
Based on that, it is utterly useless to call attention to the fact that the next false flag op, used to justify more permanent warring, may not involve simple planting of IEDs in some cargo plane here or there. We already know that in 2007, I think it was, a serious mishap occurred involving loose nukes out of Minot AFB.
Wow - a mishap occured!
Now, more recently, i.e., last week, another major mishap occurred.
Wow - another mishap! Only 3 years in between! Looks like human being were at work!
This one was at FE WARREN AFB, where a 45 minute power outage caused the AirForce to lose track of some 50 nukes.
See:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1324190/Obama-told-nuclear-arsenal-hit-45-minute-glitch.html
Excerpt:
"As multiple error codes appeared on the computer control system at FE Warren Air Force Base in Wyoming, the Minuteman III missiles went into ‘LF Down’ status, which meant that officers were unable to communicate with them.
Defence officials insisted yesterday there was never any danger of an accidental launch. But the incident was deemed serious enough for Barack Obama to be briefed on it later."
Oystein will NOT want posters and lurkers to ask whether or not SAIC provides security or other services at FE WARREN AFB, this we know in advance.
Somebody has to, right? So even if they did - can you please spell out all the assumptions you hang on that? Thanks.
So, posters and lurkers, but definitely not Oystein, look at this:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/New-USAF-Nuclear-Command-Gets-SAIC-Support-06063/
Oystein, turn your ahead away from the following excerpt:
"Under the contract, SAIC will
assist with the design and implementation of processes and organizations to help ensure the command satisfies requirements and resource allocation objectives.
...
As part of the command’s assumption of ICBM mission responsibility, AFGSC gains 3 missile wings: 1 each from F.E. Warren Air Force Base (AFB), WY; Malmstrom AFB, MT; and Minot AFB, ND. Command officials also assume responsibility for all of the USA’s 450 ICBMs."
Where did you read that "SAIC provides security" here?
To which Oystein replied:
That is an impassioned defense of the MIC, but it is decidedly biased.
I have a bias in favour of
evidence, and against
bare-assed assumptions.
We do not know why Oystein insists on defending the MIC so vigorously.
I do not defend the MIC. I do defend the principle that claims and allegations ought to be based on
evidence, and not on
bare-assed assumtions.
If every "i" is not dotted and if every "t" is not crossed, Oysein insists that everything said about the MIC must be dismissed.
If NO i is dotted and NO t is crossed, I simply dout the ability of the writer to write.
So far, you failed to dot a single i and cross a single t.
No such requirement is imposed by Oystein with respect to the common storyline of 9/11.
Wrong.
It is no more arbitrary, and far less unreasonable, to say what I say about the MIC, SAIC and ARA than it is to say:
"On 9/11 19 Arabs with boxcutters, directed by Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan, had the means to carryout 9/11." AKA: The common storyline.
I don't say that. I never said 19 Arabs were "directed" by Mr. Bin Laden, I don't care the least bit about that anecdote of box cutters (which we know from only one of the four planes; It is not uncommon at all for hijackers to succeed, whatever means they employed). And I do allow a little room for doubts about the identity and organisational background of the 19 men.
What we are discussing here is the objective techical and physical story: Commercial planes, large fires, gravity, the huge amounts of energy that come with these. Vs. invisible, impossible, undefined, unobserved and unexplained XYZ's of unknown origin, make-up, principle, location and ownership.
...
The claims made about SAIC, ARA, the MIC and the MILITARY EXERCISES on 9/11 are not] assumption riddled. The fact is this:
Such exercises took place, one objective of which was to simulate hijacking of jets and crashing them into buildings. I have quoted a number of reliable sources on this, the claim is not in doubt.
Wrong.
Oystein's cumbersome explanation, quoted above, is milque toast. It contains a grudging, apologetic, partial admission that the MIC had a motive to carryout 9/11 and a partial denial of that obvious claim.
Having a motive is sometimes a necessary, but never a sufficient condition for a guilty verdict. Ask any capable Attorney at Law, if you know one.
It fails to acknowledge that the financing of 9/11 was never proven,
It was rather trivial. Airline fares are cheap, and flight training is affordable.
Read the 9/11 Commission Report for details.
leaving the MIC and its capabilities as the only known source that could have successfully carried out 9/11.
Non sequitur. This does not follow from the above premise.
After all, if there is one thing you can say about the common storyline, it is this:
A cave in Afghanistan is not an ideal Command, Communications, Control (3C) location for carrying out 9/11. But, TOP SECRET MIC locations in the USA are.
Big fat
strawman. No one, least of all I, claims that anything was commanded, communicated and controlled from a cave in Afghanistan. Mr. Bin Laden did not live in a cave, he resided in a mansion, with modern communications equipment. And he did not 3C the operation. Mr. Sheikh Mohammed and Mr. Atta did. Mr. Atta lived in Hamburg, Germany.
The operation was pretty simple: organize visa and flight training for a few guys, find 4 flights that take off in the north-eastern USA within a short time frame, book 20 tickets, practice a bit, and go.
That is the "beauty" of the real event: Is is sooo much simpler than Mrs. Wood's fiction. I would say about 5 orders of magnitude simpler and more elegant.
It is to be hoped that Oystein will focus more on the admission part and less on the denial part.
If the MIC is not watched closely, they just might succeed in pulling off a false flag op involving nukes.
Be vigilant, please.
It is to be hoped that jammonius will focus more on the
evidence part and less on the
bare-assed assumptions part.
If the MIC is about to engage in nefarious actions, and people are away on
jammonius wild goose chase, they just might miss the "Big One".
Be rational, please.