Sabretooth
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Naw, the guy with the cue-cards screwed up and wrote down the wrong number....
...um...maybe I've said too much...?
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Split Thread SAIC, ARA and 9/11 (split from "All 43 videos...")
Naw, the guy with the cue-cards screwed up and wrote down the wrong number....
...um...maybe I've said too much...?
twinstead
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Dude. You're going to loose your key to the NWO executive washroom for that slip up!
Sabretooth
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Skinny,
That you are not acquainted with any of the indivduals identified by mug shot and email address in post # 1041 (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6454003&postcount=1041) is not really the point, is it?
Come on Skinny, would you please consider stepping up your game here. You live in an MIC town, work at a key installation that has DEW dripping all over it (pun intended
) and still you post up obvious and intentional naivety.Come on Skinny, even if you don't post on the basis of doing so, please take the Eisenhower admonition seriously in any event.
As to the second part of your post, Skinny, perhaps you had better examine your own assumptions. After that, please either re-state them; or, better still, figure out that your assumptions are mistaken.
all the best
excaza
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Skinny,
That you are not acquainted with any of the indivduals identified by mug shot and email address in post # 1041 (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6454003&postcount=1041) is not really the point, is it?
Come on Skinny, would you please consider stepping up your game here. You live in an MIC town, work at a key installation that has DEW dripping all over it (pun intended
Come on Skinny, even if you don't post on the basis of doing so, please take the Eisenhower admonition seriously in any event.
As to the second part of your post, Skinny, perhaps you had better examine your own assumptions. After that, please either re-state them; or, better still, figure out that your assumptions are mistaken.
all the best
What part of that post answers his question?
Oystein found a witness... hey, hey, hey!!
Sheesh Oystein,
What a post. You've tied DEW into NO PLANE with the best of them. Nice going. Indeed, DEW and NO PLANE are the key ingredients to understanding 9/11.
Your post seems to focus on one of the rarest types of witnesses there is in the entire galaxy of known 9/11 witneses; namely, those who claim to have seen not one, but two jetliners hit not one but both of the Twin Towers.
Witnesses of that ilk are few and far between. Offhand, I can think of only 1 of the validly documented witnesses, those within the 503 Task Force Witness group, who are in that category. And, as to that one, his account as to a jet hitting the North Tower is iffy at best.
Now, let's take a closer look at Oystein's miracle witness, shall we:
While the time signature in the screen capture at the top left is blurry, it appears to say 9 something. It could be 9:24; 34; 44 or 54.
If past is prologue, Oystein will say "54" for obvious reasons.
However, even in arguing strenuously for the most time to have elapsed from 9:02:59 to the point in time where Our Gentleman in the Hard Hat, with accompanist in front seat could not only get down from the roof of 25 Park Place but also presumably load up his truck with his gear, drive through the barriers and horrendous traffic and end up smack in front of a Fox News camera is truly astonishingly miraculous, posters.
Now, needless to say, if the time signature on the blurry video is, indeed, either 9:24,34 0r 44, I think even some of the hard core, true believer, common storyline, adherents might have pause for concern.
Posters and lurkers, let's keep it real here:
"...It was jist an explosion..."
Oh, for sake of proper perspective, you can use this map to locate Park Place;
all the best
Sheesh Oystein,
What a post. You've tied DEW into NO PLANE with the best of them. Nice going. Indeed, DEW and NO PLANE are the key ingredients to understanding 9/11.
Your post seems to focus on one of the rarest types of witnesses there is in the entire galaxy of known 9/11 witneses; namely, those who claim to have seen not one, but two jetliners hit not one but both of the Twin Towers.
Witnesses of that ilk are few and far between. Offhand, I can think of only 1 of the validly documented witnesses, those within the 503 Task Force Witness group, who are in that category. And, as to that one, his account as to a jet hitting the North Tower is iffy at best.
Now, let's take a closer look at Oystein's miracle witness, shall we:
While the time signature in the screen capture at the top left is blurry, it appears to say 9 something. It could be 9:24; 34; 44 or 54.
If past is prologue, Oystein will say "54" for obvious reasons.
However, even in arguing strenuously for the most time to have elapsed from 9:02:59 to the point in time where Our Gentleman in the Hard Hat, with accompanist in front seat could not only get down from the roof of 25 Park Place but also presumably load up his truck with his gear, drive through the barriers and horrendous traffic and end up smack in front of a Fox News camera is truly astonishingly miraculous, posters.
Now, needless to say, if the time signature on the blurry video is, indeed, either 9:24,34 0r 44, I think even some of the hard core, true believer, common storyline, adherents might have pause for concern.
Posters and lurkers, let's keep it real here:
"...It was jist an explosion..."
Oh, for sake of proper perspective, you can use this map to locate Park Place;
all the best
Oystein
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NOO! Not the outhouse again! Those seats are COLD!
Hey, finally an opportunity to use your monthly handout of super-duper-nano-thermate to good use: put it under the seat, and it will stay warm for months!
twinstead
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Jammonius you are the worst investigator. EVER. Literally HUNDREDS of people saw the second plane hit the WTC, and there are MULTIPLE VIDEOS of it. You are crooked lawyering your way out of your predicament, namely that the evidence to convict your client is OVERWHELMING.
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Twinstead,
Once again you are not clear, as I see it. So, let me double check for accuracy: Is your quoted post your way of admitting the time stamp on Oystein's video is 9:24 making the account of seeing not one but two jetliners hit the WTC from atop 25 Park Place unbelievable, utterly and completely?
You don't have to answer if you don't want to; but, your post is simply not clear to me. Certainly, you do not substantiate your claim at all.
Dave Rogers
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Just out of interest, what exactly is the 503 Task Force Witness group?
Dave
Dave
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packag...12_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
The single best NO PLANE witness is Stephen Gregory.
The single best DEW witness is Patricia Ondrovic.
There are some who say they saw or heard "a plane." Very few reliably report seeing and hearing a jetliner.
As is well known, most who say what they saw refer to seeing "an explosion" and "a fireball."
The actual, verifiably present witnesses, whose statements were reliably recorded and preserved are to be found at the link. There are 503 of them, however, there are a couple of duplicates.
If you want to know the extent of DEW and NO PLANE evidence, you have no better source than that referenced here.
Oystein
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Thanks. But "all the best" is not needed to show where you erred.
My post does not focus on any type of witness. What's that rhetoric supposed to mean? It focusses on a specific witness who was in a most excellent position to witness the first plane, and described in the clearest and most unambiguous words. Yes, he also mentions witnessing the secomnd plane, but as he is much less specific on it, and was also, at Park Place, in a less ideal position to spot it and see it crash, I would not object if you handwaved that part of his testimony for being doubtful.
"heard the wild noise from the jet. We look up and we see this big jet like a 737 or a 727 ... It was a big jet. We saw it come, just looking like it sideways, at first we thought it was just gonna try to miss it - BANG! Right into the middle of it"
Iffy, jammomnius? Sheesh. How dishonest.
Ha! You spotted something there, didn't ya! You are onto something, aren't you! You got me, eh?
No.
You didn't.
Here's why.
Forward a little in the video to 1m32s, where we see the North Tower still standing - clock reads 9:27
Where is the South Tower? Well we learn a little later, at 2m28s, that would be 9:28, that "ONE TOWER OF WORLD TRADE CENTER COLLAPSES" (Breaking News caption on bottom
At 2:36, someone starts yelling "There it goes, there it goes", referring to the start of what we see seconds later at 2m43s (the clock is very unreadable at that moment, but could still be 9:28):
Note: Tower crashes at 9:28, according to this clip!
Footage goes on. At 2m52s the caption changes: "PLANES CRASH INTO PENTAGON, BOTH WORLD TRADE TOWERS". Still 9:28
What's that? Pentagon? Pentagon "explosion" was 9:37 ET! Hm!
Filming of the settling dust continues uninterrupted for a while - no tower seen anymore. Then the News Alert captions changes to "2ND WORLD TRADE TOWER COLLAPSES"
The final two screencaps are from 5m13s and 5m14s, respectively, that is 1 second apart, where the clock chances from 9:30 to 9:31.
This to show 2 things:
a) These two numbers are clearer than the previous ones - it establishes that the previous clock times were indeed around 9:28 and not 38, 48 or 58.
b) It establishes that the full minute changes between 13 and 14 seconds on the video timer.
So we see that this video clip shows live footage of the collapse of the 2nd tower, and times the beginning at about 9:28:24.
According to the 9/11 timeline at Wikipedia, the second tower starts to fall at 10:28:25. That is a difference of 1 hour, nearly precise to the second! Coincidence? No.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks
Also, this 9:28 on the Fox News Clock is after the Pentagon event, which happened at 9:37 Eastern Time.
Conclusion: The clock in the video shows not Eastern Time, but Central Time!
It follows that the worker, inaptly dubbed "Oystein's miracle witness", was interrviewed at 10:24 local time in NYC, not 9:24.
Or 1 hour 21 minutes after he witnessed the second crash while on the roof of 25 Park Place. 81 minutes should be plenty to descend, load the truck, and take flight, don't ya think, jammonius?
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If I, twinstead, Dave Rogers and Carlitos admit the time stamp on "my" video is 9:24 for the Gentleman with the Hard Hat, will you admit, that time stamp is Central Time / 10:24ET making the account of seeing not one but two jetliners hit the WTC from atop 25 Park Place believable, utterly and completely?
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Dave Rogers
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Mr. Skinny
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You're right. The point is that if you feel these people need to be contacted, you should do it yourself.
What does that mean -stepping up my game? What am I being obvious and intentionally naive about? I honestly don't know the people who's pictures you posted. That was the subject after all.Come on Skinny, would you please consider stepping up your game here. You live in an MIC town, work at a key installation that has DEW dripping all over it (pun intended
Huh?
There was no "second part" of my post, so again....Huh?
leftysergeant
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Then you're screwed, because she was, at the time she witnessed what the old bat calls DEW devices, non compus mentus. She was still suffering PTSD when she gave her oral history. Any fire fighter would recognize it as such and would want to slap your face for subjecting her to the ordeal and perhaps interfering with her recovery.
She worked with the fire department and was running down the street with her turnout coat on fire. You have absolutely no skill at judging the value of a witness.
Very few of them could process the fact that a plane that large was that close to the roofs of all those ofice buildings. Details like what model of aircraft it was seemed rather unimportant next to the fact that something unpleasant was about to happen. Learn how healthy human minds work.
Most had no opportunity to find the source of the unusal noise they heard in those echoing canyons until after it stopped moving. Have an accoustic engineer explain to you the principles of sound baffling.
Even those who did not immediately identify the addition to the background noise as a jet aircraft were able to see the fireball that resulted from impact. If they did not see the aircraft, they would have had no other words for it but an "explosion."
Guess what, dude. When you splash jet fuel against a surface, or dozens of them, and reduce it to a spray of droplets near a source of ignition, it explodes. Nobody saw or heard anything inconsistant with the collision of an airliner with a building.
There was one witness, whom the twooftards sieze on as evidence that it was not an airliner that took out one of the towers mentions that he didn't see windows on the aircraft and assumed that it was a cargo plane. Well, first of all, cargo carriers generally use the same airframe as their airliners, but they are a model built without passenger windows, so the witnes is not showing any serious mental defect or impaired sensory capacity. But he still may not have seen what he thought he saw. Windows on an aircraft, at any considerable distance, are small targets and they are dark. This makes them hard to see clearly while the plane is in motion. Add to the fact that the livery of the airline involved is dark and the darkest color used is applied in a big stripe enclosing all the windows within a dark fieldn and your average eagle's eyes would be hard put to sort them out.
You are not presenting anything convincing with your blather about what people saw. You need to learn to filter out the BS.
And most of them would kick your butt for trying to make them testify on the whacktard's behalf. Those who would be most charitably-disposed to Judy's drivel would be the ones who suffer the most debilitating PTSD, like Ondrovic and Singh.
Now, you see, right there is your problem. I aint even got a college dgree, and I have better forensic skills than yours, as demonstrated in the ephemeral quality of the "evidence" you have dumped here.
I think a real and discernable TIPPING POINT may have been reached in this thread. We truly have adequate information confirming the roles of SAIC and ARA in connection with DEW, with PSYOPs, with NIST fraud and cover up. We also have a growing awareness of DEPS, USAFRL/DED and USASMC.
While many posters are reluctant to own up to the danger posed by the MIC and its ability to conduct operations in secret, for a profit and on the basis of being able to lie and to cover up their lies, all of that information is in the thread.
That is good.
The effect of reaching a tipping point at present means there is time for a sufficient number of posters and lurkers to start thinking expansively, connecting dots and, presumably, acting in a responsible way with respect to what appears to be coming our way; namely, social changes that mandate we call the MIC to account.
all the best
While many posters are reluctant to own up to the danger posed by the MIC and its ability to conduct operations in secret, for a profit and on the basis of being able to lie and to cover up their lies, all of that information is in the thread.
That is good.
The effect of reaching a tipping point at present means there is time for a sufficient number of posters and lurkers to start thinking expansively, connecting dots and, presumably, acting in a responsible way with respect to what appears to be coming our way; namely, social changes that mandate we call the MIC to account.
all the best
Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through