Saddam on Trial

[demon]

Despite being described as disorientated, he correctly described the set up as a theatre. It is too: orchestrated by the Americans to set up a distraction for the Iraqi public and to fool their own population into believing 'Iraq justice' is taking place. The whole place was crawling with selected US hacks and military, where were the Iraqi's? Even the 'Judge' didn't dare show his face.
The sound was interrupted or muted at will by US technicians, probably after the event as it was not broadcast live. If this was a proper trial as BBC, ITV and other media outlets seem to automatically accept, why couldn't it be conducted by an ELECTED Iraqi government, a few months later?

 

[Ziggurat]

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If I'm to be totally honest, I have to admit I do feel somewhat "delighted"..... but only in knowing that Bush (and his administration) is finally starting to be held accountable to the American public.

For too many years this administration were able to get away with 'bloody murder' only because the media and the public were sick & tired of the Clinton scandals & didn't want to hear more negativity about our politicians/government.

I notice that some critics of our current administration never seem to show delight that a mass-murdering dictator like Saddam is going to be held accountable to the people he victimized. But I guess you've got to have your priorities, don't you, and the Iraqi people aren't actually on that list. You care more about 'bloody murder' (quotes required) than you do about actual bloody murder. Sorry I don't share your priorities.

 

[demon]

"I notice that some critics of our current administration never seem to show delight that a mass-murdering dictator like Saddam is going to be held accountable to the people..."

How do you feel about the "current administration" and Islam Karimov.

 

[a_unique_person]

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I notice that some critics of our current administration never seem to show delight that a mass-murdering dictator like Saddam is going to be held accountable to the people he victimized. But I guess you've got to have your priorities, don't you, and the Iraqi people aren't actually on that list. You care more about 'bloody murder' (quotes required) than you do about actual bloody murder. Sorry I don't share your priorities.

The whole Iraq war was never sold on the basis of ridding the Iraqi people of Saddam. It was sold on the basis of protecting the American people from WMD. It wasn't about them, it was about YOU.

When the WMD didn't turn up, all of a sudden the Iraqi people are dear to the hearts of Bush and friends, unless they happen to be rounded up to Abu Graib, or drive through a checkpoint by mistake, or live near a precision guided weapon target.

The people of Iraq don't buy it for a second, well, they did buy it for a second, but the US pursuaded them pretty quickly to not believe it.

 

[Kodiak]

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I notice that some critics of our current administration never seem to show delight that a mass-murdering dictator like Saddam is going to be held accountable to the people he victimized. But I guess you've got to have your priorities, don't you, and the Iraqi people aren't actually on that list. You care more about 'bloody murder' (quotes required) than you do about actual bloody murder. Sorry I don't share your priorities.

The Anti-Bush Triumvirate (subgenius, a_u_p, and Mr. Manifesto) cannot officially acknowledge any of the positive achievements accomplished by the current administration, as it would be counter to their mission of perpetual ridicule, demonization, character assasssination, and endless propaganda against President Bush, his cabinet, aides, and advisors, conservatism, the GOP, and the United States Armed Forces.

 

[demon]

Kodiak:
"The Anti-Bush Triumvirate (subgenius, a_u_p, and Mr. Manifesto) cannot officially acknowledge any of the positive achievements accomplished by the current administration, as it would be counter to their mission of perpetual ridicule, demonization, character assasssination, and endless propaganda against President Bush, his cabinet, aides, and advisors, conservatism, the GOP, and the United States Armed Forces."

So one dictator falls while we support yet another in his ascendancy...hail the positive achievements.
In ten years time you might be here claiming more "positive achievments" when Karimov has turned the oil tap off and you have bombed his people in the name of a just intervention.

The worlds oppressed people are sick to the stomach of people like you. Just ask them, I dare you.

 

[Kodiak]

So one dictator falls while we support yet another in his ascendancy...hail the positive achievements.
In ten years time you might be here claiming more "positive achievments" when Karimov has turned the oil tap off and you have bombed his people in the name of a just intervention.

The worlds oppressed people are sick to the stomach of people like you. Just ask them, I dare you.

Which dictators are you ranting about?

Oil? Haven't we all agreed that oil was not the reason we invaded Iraq? Where have you been, demon?!?

Do you mean "oppressed people" like the women of Afghanistan and Iraq, or maybe the Kurds?

 

[Tmy]

I heard some details on the Oreilly show. I guess hes gonna be tried by a 5 judge panel. THe description of the processs was kinda strange. Its not quite like the US system. I dont know if they are doing somthing special cause its Saddam.

 

[demon]

Kodiak
"Which dictators are you ranting about?

Oil? Haven't we all agreed that oil was not the reason we invaded Iraq? Where have you been, demon?!?

Do you mean "oppressed people" like the women of Afghanistan and Iraq, or maybe the Kurds?"

Thanks for not addressing my points. lol

 

[Skeptic]

Even the 'Judge' didn't dare show his face.

That might have something to do with threats he no doubt recieved from your favorite "freedom fighters".

 

[Kodiak]

Kodiak
"Which dictators are you ranting about?

Oil? Haven't we all agreed that oil was not the reason we invaded Iraq? Where have you been, demon?!?

Do you mean "oppressed people" like the women of Afghanistan and Iraq, or maybe the Kurds?"

Thanks for not addressing my points. lol

?!?

Pitiful...

 

[Kodiak]

Even the 'Judge' didn't dare show his face.

That might have something to do with threats he no doubt recieved from your favorite "freedom fighters".

Don't forget

"Revolutionaries"

and

"Nationalists"

 

[demon]

?!?

Pitiful...

Yes, isn`t it.
Without your wars based on fraud and lies you would kind of dissolve into some sort of chickenhawk soup, slurping in a mire of murder..
It`s all about justification after the fact...dirty and immoral like the rest of your crew
Justifying killing people is all you are about, have I missed something?...I don`t think so.

 

[Kodiak]

?!?

Pitiful...

Yes, isn`t it.
Without your wars based on fraud and lies you would kind of dissolve into some sort of chickenhawk soup, slurping in a mire of murder..
It`s all about justification after the fact...dirty and immoral like the rest of your crew
Justifying killing people is all you are about, have I missed something?...I don`t think so.

"Nurse, I think we're losing one..."

Whew...



Care to address any of my questions in response to your post, demon???

 

[rikzilla]

?!?

Pitiful...

Yes, isn`t it.
Without your wars based on fraud and lies you would kind of dissolve into some sort of chickenhawk soup, slurping in a mire of murder..
It`s all about justification after the fact...dirty and immoral like the rest of your crew
Justifying killing people is all you are about, have I missed something?...I don`t think so.

Damn Demon! Better get back on your meds! You're beginning to morph into an extremely bitter caracature of pillory.

Why don't you just run along now and join the jihad? You know you want to...but it'll take something that in you is in pitifully short supply...

It's called courage.
-z

 

[demon]

Ah Rick

Back here again eh?

No mass murderers funerals to take your kids to this week eh? What a great dad.

 

[glee]

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I notice that some critics of our current administration never seem to show delight that a mass-murdering dictator like Saddam is going to be held accountable to the people he victimized. But I guess you've got to have your priorities, don't you, and the Iraqi people aren't actually on that list. You care more about 'bloody murder' (quotes required) than you do about actual bloody murder. Sorry I don't share your priorities.

You do know that Saddam was installed in power by the US, don't you?
You do know that Rumsfeld sold him weapons of mass destruction for use in the Iran-Iraq war?
You do know that millions died in that war?
Or don't you care about such things as civilian casualties?

It is typical of some Bush supporters to slur any criticism by saying 'you must be a supporter of Saddam'. Typical unpleasant rubbish.
Yes, I'm relieved a violent dictator has been deposed.
But nothing about Bush's strategy suggest he won't make all the same mistakes again.
I'm against torture, whether by Saddam or US prison guards.
I'm for human rights, which is why Guantanamo Bay is such a stain of the US reputation.

As for being 'held accountable', note that Saddam is being tried under recent legislation aimed specifically at him.
Who passed this law? Why it was the Governing Council of Iraq.
And who elected this Council? Why the US simply set it up.
What happened to the Council? It's been disbanded.
How did the US set it up? They invaded Iraq because 'there were weapons of mass destruction'.

So a country is invaded, a puppet administration is set up which passes a law aimed at convicting the previous leader, then disbands.
What sort of message does this send to the rest of the World?
What happened to the admirable qualities of the US?

 

[dsm]

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The Anti-Bush Triumvirate (subgenius, a_u_p, and Mr. Manifesto) cannot officially acknowledge any of the positive achievements accomplished by the current administration, as it would be counter to their mission of perpetual ridicule, demonization, character assasssination, and endless propaganda against President Bush, his cabinet, aides, and advisors, conservatism, the GOP, and the United States Armed Forces.

And those accomplishments would be...?

 

[demon]

Whatever he is guilty of (and I'm sure it includes as many serious crimes as Bush has committed), the trial should be held after a fair election. The idea that Salem Chalabi is looking out for "fair and unbiased" judges is laughable. Yesterday it looked like a
carnival bigger than Rio, with US reporters and US technicians controlling everything heard/seen.
The BBC`s John "The liberator" Simpson admitted it looked like a US run thing yesterday but as usual ignoring the evidence said this was not necessarily so, but that the allegation itself was damaging. What planet does he live on?
CNN's Rula Amin's suggestion that Saddam shouldn't have "a political platform" means he shouldn't be allowed to be heard to say anything damaging about his old pals Rumsfeld and company except for insults which add to the image of raving tyrant/dictator/mass murderer etc.
I expect they will keep him drugged up just enough that he fulfills the role beautifully. Watch out there are more kangaroos to come! The Beeb and ITV are going full out to bring out the tyrants victims and letting them cry on TV.
Just adds a bit of emotion to the whole news thing doesnt it. The level of reporting has become almost juvenile.

 

[demon]

The front of today's Independent has the phrase I'm already sick to death of ("Saddam faces justice") and goes on to ask where are the others accused of crimes against humanity. Its list of bad eggs on the run is illuminating:-
Karadzic
Mullah Omar
Osama Bin Laden
Abu Masab al-Zarqawi.

Here's a few others the Indy might have included - there's Suharto for one. He's living comfortably in Jakarta if the Indy wants to run any articles explaining why the US is not interested in ensuring he faces the same 'ultimate justice' as awaits Saddam. They might also want to explore how Paul Wolfowitz (Reagan's ambassador to Indonesia and an admirer of Suharto) can claim to be passionate about human rights in the Middle East today when the record shows he was totally indifferent to them in south east Asia.

After that, the Indy could take a close look at Florida - the sunshine state under Bush's bro is home to death squad leaders from Central and South America and Haiti. Bush has a lot of bad guys right under his nose whom he could deliver up to ultimate justice but he doesn't do so for some reason that the Indy isn't curious about.

Where else could the Indy look? Perhaps in countries such as Equatorial Guinea and Uzbekistan where the US is friendly with the dictators currently in charge.

The media's collusion in double standards never ceases to amaze me - they're not even subtle about it.