RUST murder By accident? / Did NRA training Cause the Rust Accident?

[Crazy Chainsaw]

You're not claiming sabotage, though. You're claiming murder.

I can see giving Baldwin and the armorer the benefit of the doubt, as an interesting thought experiment in how else this could have happened.

But I think what you've successfully demonstrated with this experiment is that the alternatives are so bizarre and implausible that the best approach is to simply not give Baldwin and the armorer the benefit of the doubt.

Did Someone Die on the set?

 

[theprestige]

It's innocent until proven Guilty, or atleast it used to be.

As I said elsewhere:

This is an important limitation on the state, when it seeks to take away someone's civil liberties by rule of law. We hold the state to a strict legal standard when it attempts this, for obvious reasons.

We extra-legal observers are not bound by this limitation, and are free to reach our own conclusions from the available information.

 

[theprestige]

Did Someone Die on the set?

Yes. You claiming that they died as a result of a plot to intentionally kill someone.

You are not claiming that they died as an unexpected consequence of attempted sabotage.

You introduced the sabotage idea, when I raised questions about the plausibility of a murder plot using the method you proposed. It seems to me that the method you proposed is extremely unreliable for guaranteeing a murder. It might be good for sabotage, but you are not claiming sabotage. You're claiming murder.

Are you changing your claim from murder to sabotage? Do you now believe this wasn't a murder attempt, it was a sabotage attempt that resulted in someone dying?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Yes. You claiming that they died as a result of a plot to intentionally kill someone.

You are not claiming that they died as an unexpected consequence of attempted sabotage.

You introduced the sabotage idea, when I raised questions about the plausibility of a murder plot using the method you proposed. It seems to me that the method you proposed is extremely unreliable for guaranteeing a murder. It might be good for sabotage, but you are not claiming sabotage. You're claiming murder.

Are you changing your claim from murder to sabotage? Do you now believe this wasn't a murder attempt, it was a sabotage attempt that resulted in someone dying?

Death as a result of intentional Illegal discharge of a fire arm is still, murder one in New Mexico, whether you knew it would kill or not.

 

[junkshop]

Death as a result of intentional Illegal discharge of a fire arm is still, murder one in New Mexico, whether you knew it would kill or not.

OK, so convince us that the highlighted occurred, or at least persuade us that it is a realististic probability.

You appear to have abandoned your original hypothesis that this was an attempt on Baldwin's life in particular, in favour of an attempt to sabotage the production in general. Who would be so invested in this film not being completed that they would risk the death of crew members, and why?

What makes this a more likely theory than a laissez faire attitude toward safety protocols on a relatively low budget production with a history of professional, unionised crew members quitting over these very issues?

 

[Hans]

Haven't got a clue.

Isn't 'Alex Baldwin' a code name intersex sex?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

OK, so convince us that the highlighted occurred, or at least persuade us that it is a realististic probability.

You appear to have abandoned your original hypothesis that this was an attempt on Baldwin's life in particular, in favour of an attempt to sabotage the production in general. Who would be so invested in this film not being completed that they would risk the death of crew members, and why?

What makes this a more likely theory than a laissez faire attitude toward safety protocols on a relatively low budget production with a history of professional, unionised crew members quitting over these very issues?

I am actually hoping it was an accident, but a real bullet ready to go at battery in a gun everyone says malfunctioned, that's rather hard to believe, when I can rig one in ten seconds.
I know the old Cowboy trick it's been around longer than I have, do you think someone else knew it too?
https://youtu.be/PASwJ1QI05o

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Yes. You claiming that they died as a result of a plot to intentionally kill someone.

You are not claiming that they died as an unexpected consequence of attempted sabotage.

You introduced the sabotage idea, when I raised questions about the plausibility of a murder plot using the method you proposed. It seems to me that the method you proposed is extremely unreliable for guaranteeing a murder. It might be good for sabotage, but you are not claiming sabotage. You're claiming murder.

Are you changing your claim from murder to sabotage? Do you now believe this wasn't a murder attempt, it was a sabotage attempt that resulted in someone dying?

I hope it's actually an accident but I believe If I could do it someone else could too.

 

[junkshop]

I am actually hoping it was an accident, but a real bullet ready to go at battery in a gun everyone says malfunctioned, that's rather hard to believe, when I can rig one in ten seconds.
I know the old Cowboy trick it's been around longer than I have, do you think someone else knew it too?
https://youtu.be/PASwJ1QI05o

Yes, we all get it, you're very good at guns. Well done.

Now, if you could address the questions I asked it would be much appreciated:

OK, so convince us that the highlighted occurred, or at least persuade us that it is a realististic probability.
You appear to have abandoned your original hypothesis that this was an attempt on Baldwin's life in particular, in favour of an attempt to sabotage the production in general. Who would be so invested in this film not being completed that they would risk the death of crew members, and why?

What makes this a more likely theory than a laissez faire attitude toward safety protocols on a relatively low budget production with a history of professional, unionised crew members quitting over these very issues?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Yes, we all get it, you're very good at guns. Well done.

Now, if you could address the questions I asked it would be much appreciated:

That's got to be someone that hates Baldwin, and wants the movie to fail, how many Baldwin haters are there?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Isn't 'Alex Baldwin' a code name intersex sex?

I thought is was a code name for outersex sex.

 

[Craig4]

Dude, get a grip. Why is this hard? Crew members had nothing to do, out in the middle of nowhere. Some of them brought live rounds to take the guns out plinking while they were doing nothing. One of the rounds stayed in one of the guns (for whatever reason). The weapon was not properly cleared prior to using it on set. Buy a whet stone and sharpen your Occam's razor would you?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Dude, get a grip. Why is this hard? Crew members had nothing to do, out in the middle of nowhere. Some of them brought live rounds to take the guns out plinking while they were doing nothing. One of the rounds stayed in one of the guns (for whatever reason). The weapon was not properly cleared prior to using it on set. Buy a whet stone and sharpen your Occam's razor would you?

Yet the Armour says that's Not true they were never out of the safe.

 

[Hans]

Dude, get a grip. Why is this hard? Crew members had nothing to do, out in the middle of nowhere. Some of them brought live rounds to take the guns out plinking while they were doing nothing. One of the rounds stayed in one of the guns (for whatever reason). The weapon was not properly cleared prior to using it on set. Buy a whet stone and sharpen your Occam's razor would you?

Yes and while Baldwin either doesn't remember or has decided to deny - he probably just pulled the trigger intentionally or not.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I am actually hoping it was an accident, but a real bullet ready to go at battery in a gun everyone says malfunctioned, that's rather hard to believe, when I can rig one in ten seconds.
I know the old Cowboy trick it's been around longer than I have, do you think someone else knew it too?
https://youtu.be/PASwJ1QI05o

Have you got a cite for this? I heard it had been accidentally discharged a couple of times but this was due to mishandling rather than a problem with the handgun.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

That's got to be someone that hates Baldwin, and wants the movie to fail, how many Baldwin haters are there?

Well, I doubt the MAGA crowd will be queuing up for his films after his recurring role on SNL. It's not something I'd have previously thought anyone would try to kill over but these days... But honestly, this is too convoluted. Someone trying to shoot him for having mocked Trump, believable. Rigging a gun on a movie set in the hope he shoots himself/someone else by accident, no, too convoluted, dependent on everyone involved not following safety procedures and utterly dependent on sheer luck to hit anyone.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Have you got a cite for this? I heard it had been accidentally discharged a couple of times but this was due to mishandling rather than a problem with the handgun.

Discharging without a finger on the trigger can only occur though a malfunction or Sabotage, the old Cowboy trick of lead wedging a trigger to make someone shot there foot while fast drawing the gun.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Well, I doubt the MAGA crowd will be queuing up for his films after his recurring role on SNL. It's not something I'd have previously thought anyone would try to kill over but these days... But honestly, this is too convoluted. Someone trying to shoot him for having mocked Trump, believable. Rigging a gun on a movie set in the hope he shoots himself/someone else by accident, no, too convoluted, dependent on everyone involved not following safety procedures and utterly dependent on sheer luck to hit anyone.

Actually the lead wedging is designed to get someone to shoot their foot, on the fast draw.

 

[Spektator]

"Okay, ya ornery sidewinder, Ah'm agonna face ya down in tha street at noon. First, though, jest let me borry yore shootin' ahrn fer a second t'make shore it's, uh, up t' mah standards."

...."Ah reckon that's fair."

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

"Okay, ya ornery sidewinder, Ah'm agonna face ya down in tha street at noon. First, though, jest let me borry yore shootin' ahrn fer a second t'make shore it's, uh, up t' mah standards."

...."Ah reckon that's fair."

Even fairer if you add a shot of old Red Eye Whiskey, and some half Naked Dancing �� he dancing �� are what gets you access to the shooten Irons partner, but I don't exactly know how.