Russian rocket deliveries to Iran started

[Gurdur]

The argument is to prevent Iran from getting nukes

Now how do you propose to do that?

.... Pakistan are not threatening to nuke anyone of the face of the Earth

Ha ha ha ha. Pakistan's nuclear weapons are a direct threat to India and were made exactly for that.

Don't you ever follow the news?

I worried about Pakistan to the extent that they have given nulcear info to Iran.

So Pakistan is a problem, but for some reason you won't tell us you don't want to worry about Pakistan, but you only want to worry about Iran. Weird.
Pakistani scientists have been directly responsible for proliferating nuclear weapons know-how. Now just why do you not tackle that?

Pakistan won't nuke India because India will nuke it back. Mutually assured destruction is preventing war.

Then by the same token Iran would not nuke Israel because Israel would nuke it back.

Nuclear war is an enemy in and of itself.

So is dysentery, but dysentery kills many many more millions than so far nuclear war ever did.

The Soviet Union and the US were reliable to react in their best interest. The dozens of nuclear armed nations are not guaranteed to do that now. That's a problem, even for poor people.

God only knows what you want to say here, but who decides the lines? Why Pakistan but not Iran?
Do answer. To the point.

 

[firecoins]

I called you USA centric because you claimed I should not worry about Iran and their military build up because they can't fire missles at the US mainland. Than you said poor people were a bigger problem. Should I care about poor people who live outside the US or is that a scare tactic?

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
It placed them (along with everyone else) within the possibility of nuclear war.

meh, what an empty possibility so far. Everyone else has far more pressing problems.

That just means "everyone else" has bigger problems.

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No problem or concern for China, Nepal, Tibet, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Shir Lanka, or Tajikistan?

Nope. Wind patterns over all likely possible targets in India and Pakistan mean minimal fall-out for all the countries you mentioned.

Remarkable response.

So you have no problem whatsoever with Chernobyl, even though it was a simple faux pas? No evil intent? "No problem" for the "locals"?

Please; give me an answer to that one.............

Do try to keep in mind what we are discussing at the moment. We are discussing direct threats. That really can't be so hard to grasp.

Again, I do not relinquish power to define what "we" are discussing at any particular time, especially since you like to wander (and at interesting points).

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If such is the case, why is everybody so up in arms regarding U.S. activity in Iraq?

* sigh *
Is the art of sticking to the point so despised by you?

Do I need to go back and cite you?

 

[firecoins]

You seem to think by worrying about Iran specifically I am not concerned about other nuclear countries. what an argument! lo just like I am not worried about poor people. They can't fire a nuke at the US either.

 

[Gurdur]

That just means "everyone else" has bigger problems.

Bingo! Most people round the world have much bigger problems than the threat of nuclear war.

See? I knew we could come to agreement.

Please; give me an answer to that one......

When you can actually ask a question which is to the point, and not some transparent and bizarre strawman, I will be happy to answer it.

 

[The Fool]

The sky is falling.....

 

[firecoins]

So Pakistan is a problem, but for some reason you won't tell us you don't want to worry about Pakistan, but you only want to worry about Iran. Weird. Pakistani scientists have been directly responsible for proliferating nuclear weapons know-how. Now just why do you not tackle that?

This thread is about Iran and weapons proliferation. Pakistan is a major problem I am worried about Pakistan and proliferation but they have not made any offensive threats and are cooperating with the world. Hmmmm could not possibly be a different situation.

Then by the same token Iran would not nuke Israel because Israel would nuke it back. .

Iran is making offensive threats. what you make of that since that is what this thread is about.

So is dysentery, but dysentery kills many many more millions than so far nuclear war ever did.

Damn! We are 1 nuclear war away from curing dysentary. Just so close.

God only knows what you want to say here, but who decides the lines? Why Pakistan but not Iran?
Do answer. To the point.

Everyone. Not just Iran who is the topic of the thread. We can start Pakistan thread if you would like.

 

[firecoins]

Bingo! Most people round the world have much bigger problems than the threat of nuclear war.

See? I knew we could come to agreement.

When you can actually ask a question which is to the point, and not some transparent and bizarre strawman, I will be happy to answer it.

Yes blow up all the poor people in the Middle East. Yippie!

 

[Gurdur]

firecoins, I would love to answer you, but your last posts make no points to answer. Can you please remedy that? Thanks!

Oh, BTW, you are completely wrong about Pakistan; Pakistan has actually been in a lowlevel war for the last 40 years with India, and has had 3 real declared wars with India in that period too. Pakistan's nuclear force is a direct threat to India --- which is what it was developed to be.

Or do you not know about Kashmir etc.?

 

[firecoins]

firecoins, I would love to answer you, but your last posts make no points to answer. Can you please remedy that? Thanks!

Oh, BTW, you are completely wrong about Pakistan; Pakistan has actually been in a lowlevel war for the last 40 years with India, and has had 3 real declared wars with India in that period too. Pakistan's nuclear force is a direct threat to India --- which is what it was developed to be.

Or do you not know about Kashmir etc.?

You know I never heard of Kasmir Pakistan and India at war? Really! News to me! Yeah being worried about nuclear war and weapons proliferation, Pakistan never crossed my mind, genius! I guess its because I don't worry about poor people, genius! Yeah nuclear war that affects over a billion people isn't important.

Of course I am not arguing that Pakistan nuclear threat isn't important. You are since poor exist.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iran.europe/index.html

 

[Gurdur]

You know I never heard of Kasmir

I thought so. BTW, it's Kashmir, not "Kasmir".

Pakistan and India at war? Really! News to me! Yeah being worried about nuclear war and weapons proliferation, Pakistan never crossed my mind, genius! I guess its because I don't worry about poor people, genius! Yeah nuclear war that affects over a billion people isn't important.

Let me know when a nuclear war actually affects "over a billion people" and you might have some point. Till then, it's only incoherency.

Of course I am not arguing that Pakistan nuclear threat isn't important. You are since poor exist.

May I ask if English is your first language? Just wondering.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/20/iran.europe/index.html

Big deal. Looney Iranian politician "threatens" Europe in totally empty way.
I should worry? Worry, shmorry.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
That just means "everyone else" has bigger problems.

Bingo! Most people round the world have much bigger problems than the threat of nuclear war.

I agree, although the threat of world war involving nuclear weapons is huge, especially with the strategy of "mutually assured destruction" as the only effective deterrent thus far to ward nuclear war off.

And that won't work with terrorists................

See? I knew we could come to agreement.

We agree?

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Please; give me an answer to that one......

When you can actually ask a question which is to the point, and not some transparent and bizarre strawman, I will be happy to answer it.

Why do I doubt that claim?

 

[Huntster]

The sky is falling.....

That's what many in the environmental community claim.

 

[Huntster]

....Oh, BTW, you are completely wrong about Pakistan; Pakistan has actually been in a lowlevel war for the last 40 years with India, and has had 3 real declared wars with India in that period too. Pakistan's nuclear force is a direct threat to India --- which is what it was developed to be.

Or do you not know about Kashmir etc.?

That is precisely what I was referring to when I mentioned India and Pakistan.

But you knew that all along, didn't you?

 

[Huntster]

.....Let me know when a nuclear war actually affects "over a billion people" ...

If you need to be alerted during such an affair, I suspect you'll have to wait for the clue.

The rest of us will likely be real busy..............

Big deal. Looney Iranian politician "threatens" Europe in totally empty way.
I should worry? Worry, shmorry.

Yeah. You should worry. At the very least, you should be aware, alarmed, focused, and on the right page.

But, then, that's up to you.

If you're not, you just don't matter.

 

[President Bush]

The sky is falling.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK4s9gwgUvs&mode=related&search=

 

[zenith-nadir]

Godwin for fifty, Alex. DR

The sky is falling.....

Naivete didn't help Neville Chamberlain either. I feel you both utterly misjudge Ahmadinejad. The similarities are there.

"Speaking to a crowd in the southern city of Roudan, Hormozgan province, Ahmadinejad said, “The Islamic Republic is the continuation of the path of the prophets which came to begin a great movement and the final occurrence”." iranfocus.com

"Ahmadinejad describes himself as a fundamentalist, has no qualms about asserting that there can be no democracy in Islam, rejects free-market economics, and insists on "religious duties" rather than human rights." iranpressnews.com

"Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad says that when he delivered his speech at the UN General Assembly in September, he felt there was a light around him...Iranian legislator Akbar Alami has questioned Ahmadinejad's apparent claims, saying that even Islam's holiest figures have never made such claims." RFE/RL

He's a politician. So, let me get this right: you buy his ******** hook, line, and sinker?

DR

Hitler was a politician, so was Stalin and Pol Pot. What does "being a politician" have to do with anything? Do you "buy" Bin Ladens' rhetoric? If Al Qaeda had nuclear weapons, do you think New York would've only been hit with a couple airplanes on 9-11?

"On Iran, by contrast, the report, (the 9-11 report), concludes that al Qaeda's relationship with Tehran and its client, the Hezbollah militant group, was long-standing and included cooperation on operations, the officials said." washingtonpost.com

"Intelligence officials were alarmed by reports from Iran that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was trying to persuade al-Qa'ida to promote a pro-Iranian activist to a senior position within its leadership, the paper said." theaustralian.news.com

Iran's nuclear arament certainly is no problem for anyone but Israel and who cares about them, those crazy Israelis.

To Ahmadinejad Israel is the "little Satan", a small piece of America, America is the "Big satan".

 

[Darth Rotor]

This is a thread about Russia selling Irna weapons. I thougnt it was.

Surface to air missiles, which are missiles designed to defend a nation from air attack, and missile attack. With some of the mouthing off going on in Israel and the US these days, the perception that better Air Defense will tend to be a deterrent to a US or ISraeli air attack seems to be the real issue. Oh, and Russia making some cash.

Talking about Iran and their threats of nuclear war in a thread about Iran and Russain means I dont care about poor people. Right Talking about nuclear war, violence and weapons proliferation, I dont care about poor people. Thats it! Your right let poor people eat yellow cake!

Nuclear weapons is not the issue in this sale. The nuclear engineering assistance from Russia for some of the Iranian reactors would be, and is in an older thread.

Worry about Armajideen threatening to blow Israel off the face of the map getting weapons from Russian.

Is a bloody red herring. Air Defense Missiles are no threat to Israel, unless the IAF were sent to attack Iran. (Which I doubt.)

Since this thread is not about poor people but about Iran and its relationship to Russia in weapons proliferation maybe we can focus the thread on the threat at hand, save poor people for another thread that deals with economics.

No, it is not about weapons proliferation. Iran already has SAM's, but it wants better ones as a precaution against US attacks on Iran.

If you bother sticking to the main point, you'll wander off into pointless territory less frequently. We all derail, though, so I understand the ease with which one changes subject in mid thread. (Guilty as charged, your honor! )

DR

 

[firecoins]

Surface to air missiles, which are missiles designed to defend a nation from air attack, and missile attack. With some of the mouthing off going on in Israel and the US these days, the perception that better Air Defense will tend to be a deterrent to a US or ISraeli air attack seems to be the real issue. Oh, and Russia making some cash.

Nuclear weapons is not the issue in this sale. The nuclear engineering assistance from Russia for some of the Iranian reactors would be, and is in an older thread.

Is a bloody red herring. Air Defense Missiles are no threat to Israel, unless the IAF were sent to attack Iran. (Which I doubt.)

No, it is not about weapons proliferation. Iran already has SAM's, but it wants better ones as a precaution against US attacks on Iran.

If you bother sticking to the main point, you'll wander off into pointless territory less frequently. We all derail, though, so I understand the ease with which one changes subject in mid thread. (Guilty as charged, your honor! )

DR

Why would Iran need to ward off an air attack? Hmmm because they may be attacked in realtion to what? Their nuclear program. Russia and China see fit to still arm Iran so they get access to oil. Russia and CHina arm Iran for oil while Israel is worried Iran will follow through on it threats. Should we be worried a war might break out?

 

[Gurdur]

Why would Iran need to ward off an air attack?

Mabe they took all the recent threats of the USA neocons for a "regime change by force" in Iran seriously?

Too bad for the neocons that Iraq2 turned out so disasterously, otherwise the neocons would be marching right now on Tehran.

Do you have any idea of how many times the USA and UK have intervened in Iran within the last 60 years? Do you think the Iranians forget that just to be a convenient target for more such adventurism?