Russian False Flag - Debunk this if you Can

parky76 said:
Russia is not a real democracy. They dont have freedom and democracy drilled into their heads like we do here in the USA. It is very plausable that these apartment attacks were indeed carried out by the FSB. And there is hard evidence to suggest it. Unlike 9-11, where there is no hard evidence of an inside job.
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Exellent post.
 
Year Zero said:
I'm sure the Iraqi people will be happy to hear that their war(which is still ongoing by the way), is relatively "unbloody".
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I doubt they are. I don't see how that's relevant.

The fact is, by the standard of human warfare, the Iraq war hasn't killed that many people.

# 60,000,000–72,000,000 - World War II (1939–1945)
# 40,000,000 - Three Kingdoms War of China (190–280)
# 36,000,000 - An Shi Rebellion (756–763)
# 30,000,000–60,000,000 - Mongol Conquests (13th century)
# 25,000,000 - Manchu conquest of Ming China (1616–1644)
# 20,000,000–50,000,000 - Taiping Rebellion (1851–1864)
# 20,000,000 - Second Sino-Japanese War (1931–1945)
# 17,000,000 - Timur's conquests (1370–1405)
# 15,000,000–66,000,000 - World War I (1914–1918) note that the larger number includes Spanish flu deaths
# 10,000,000 - Warring States Era (475 BC–221 BC)
Source
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The current war in Iraq has killed about 60,000 people as a direct result of coalition action and a further estimated 100,000 - 150,000 people, with some higher estimates totally as much as 600,000 although this larger figure is generally dismissed at grossly unrealistic.

At least 26 individual battles have each resulted in more deaths than the entire Iraq war thus far.

Bear in mind, also, that over time the human population has increased exponentially, thus historic battles and wars were far more deadly per capita than battles of today, thus making the low casualty rate of most modern wars even more remarkable.

For example the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest in 9 AD only resulted in 30,000 dead, however this was from an Empire totally only 12 million people. Today that same geographic area contains closer to 1 billion people, meaning a comparable battle would produce losses of 2.5 million - over half again as deadly as the worst battle in human history - Stalingrad.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
I doubt they are. I don't see how that's relevant.

The fact is, by the standard of human warfare, the Iraq war hasn't killed that many people.



The current war in Iraq has killed about 60,000 people as a direct result of coalition action and a further estimated 100,000 - 150,000 people, with some higher estimates totally as much as 600,000 although this larger figure is generally dismissed at grossly unrealistic.

At least 26 individual battles have each resulted in more deaths than the entire Iraq war thus far.

Bear in mind, also, that over time the human population has increased exponentially, thus historic battles and wars were far more deadly per capita than battles of today, thus making the low casualty rate of most modern wars even more remarkable.

For example the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest in 9 AD only resulted in 30,000 dead, however this was from an Empire totally only 12 million people. Today that same geographic area contains closer to 1 billion people, meaning a comparable battle would produce losses of 2.5 million - over half again as deadly as the worst battle in human history - Stalingrad.

-Gumboot
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I hope no Holocaust revisionists are reading this thread.
 
I think it was Year Zero's voicing his dislike for Bush, Blair and the war in Iraq in a rather roundabout manner and offering Putin faint praise as being not quite as bad.
 
Vincent Vega said:
I think it was Year Zero's voicing his dislike for Bush, Blair and the war in Iraq in a rather roundabout manner and offering Putin faint praise as being not quite as bad.
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No, look at it as being the same reason why I spend time debunking the twoofers- Criticize Bush and the American government all you want, but ONLY for things that can be proven and nothing else. Same thing goes for Putin and other governments. If someone can find irrefutable evidence that the FSB was behind that bombing and that the government poisoned Litvinenko- GREAT! That's more ammunition for me. To be honest I find the bombing story to be far more believable than anything the twoofers have come up with in regards to 9-11.
 
The Russian bombing conspiracy theories, whether you believe them or not, actually make sense. They are simple acts of terrorism which don't involve ridiculously complex plots and speculative technologies. They also don't require the cooperation and compliance of thousands of people. Also it is worth pointing out that Russian journalists who investigate the government or powerful people frequently end up dead. This doesn't happen in the US mucn/
 
gumboot said:
Hitler was an artillery officer in World War One so I imagine he probably has killed people directly, not to mention the other violence he was involved in during the early days of the Weimar Republic.

However it's probably quite likely he never killed anyone directly during his tenure as humanity's number one psychopathic dictator of absolute evil.
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Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I was always under the impression that Hitler was a corporal and spent most of his time at the front as a staff message runner?

Not that it matters, really.
 
JamesB said:
The Russian bombing conspiracy theories, whether you believe them or not, actually make sense. They are simple acts of terrorism which don't involve ridiculously complex plots and speculative technologies. They also don't require the cooperation and compliance of thousands of people. Also it is worth pointing out that Russian journalists who investigate the government or powerful people frequently end up dead. This doesn't happen in the US mucn/
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That doesn't happen in the US at all really. If someone pulled the kind of crap that Alex Jones does here, he'd be dead in a minute. As for these killings however, I wouldn't attribute them to Putin or the government but rather interests who benefit from Putin's regime. Putin basically replaced one mafia with a different, more legit-looking one.
 
HawksFan said:
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I was always under the impression that Hitler was a corporal and spent most of his time at the front as a staff message runner?

Not that it matters, really.
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Correct, that is what some people believe contributed to his more tactically-focused views on military strategy. He was obsessed with things like individual anti-tank guns and other tactical-level stuff.
 
HawksFan said:
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I was always under the impression that Hitler was a corporal and spent most of his time at the front as a staff message runner?

Not that it matters, really.
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My mistake, you're quite correct. It seems he never even reached an NCO rank, possibly because he wasn't a German.

-Gumboot
 
JamesB said:
Also it is worth pointing out that Russian journalists who investigate the government or powerful people frequently end up dead. This doesn't happen in the US mucn/
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Of course not! The MSM is part of the same NWO! :D
 
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