Russia invades Georgia

[DC]

i get the impression nobody gives a F about what the people in those provinces want

 

[Magtor]

i get the impression nobody gives a F about what the people in those provinces want

To some degree I do, but that is not what "recognized by the UN" or "internationally recognized" means. Besides, in 1989 there lived 250,000 ethnic Georgians in the Abkhazia region, alongside with 100,000 Abkhazians. Do they, the 1989 living-in-Abkhazia-Georgians, have a say too?

 

[Matteo Martini]

i get the impression nobody gives a F about what the people in those provinces want

Exactly.

 

[geni]

i get the impression nobody gives a F about what the people in those provinces want

Yes and no. Russia cares to the extent that it doesn't want another chechnya and west cares to the extent that it has hasn't taken significant action against the situation on the ground for the last decade or so.

 

[mr rosewater]

Apparently not.


About Indo-China? Why?


We could also ask the Vietnamese that Vietnam fell to, when the French and the US finally gave up on it.


Remember who paid for the war, and did a lot of the fighting? Against Vietnamese throughout the country - not just in the north.



I can't see it myself. The Russians no more did the world a favour in Georgia than the US did in Panama or Grenada.



I have to say, you do seem pleased yourself. Did you miss them after the Wall fell and the Evil Empire just broke up and melted away like Arctic sea-ice? I can see how that might leave a hole in some people's lives.

1, Yes that's right, only because we fought with one hand tied back.

2. Well I would ask them if they prefer freedom to what the people of the north have, but I really think you knew this.

3. Many of the boat people answered this for me, and now what's left are tripping over themselves to trade with the U.S.

4, Yes my family lost someone.

5, Your opinion.

6,Now now don't turn this around you seem very pleased this nightmare is back!

 

[mr rosewater]

I was inviting mr rosewater to suggest (and argue) something different.



I don't support any nations, I simply observe.



What you think you've discovered is not, in fact, the case. If you want to suggest that Israel selling arms to Georgia implies some geopolitical intent on the part of Israel (as mr rosewater claimed regarding Russian arms-sales in Latin America) fire away and I'll discuss it with you.

Here I'am, and there's that different standard. Oh no support just a Russian cheerleader it's all geopolitical.

 

[Darth Rotor]

In an update on this summer's little fracas, we find that the OSCE observers are not agreeing with the official Georgian story on how all of this got started: why the Georgians cried havoc, and let loose the dogs of MLRS.

Since I am not sure just how neutral the various OSCE observers are, we can take their report with a grain of salt, however, it's less likely to be slanted than the Russian or Georgian version of events.

Instead, the accounts suggest that Georgia’s inexperienced military attacked the isolated separatist capital of Tskhinvali on Aug. 7 with indiscriminate artillery and rocket fire, exposing civilians, Russian peacekeepers and unarmed monitors to harm.

Who are those guys?

The monitors were members of an international team working under the mandate of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, or O.S.C.E. A multilateral organization with 56 member states, the group has monitored the conflict since a previous cease-fire agreement in the 1990s.

The observations by the monitors, including a Finnish major, a Belorussian airborne captain and a Polish civilian, have been the subject of two confidential briefings to diplomats in Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, one in August and the other in October. Summaries were shared with The New York Times by people in attendance at both.

Of course, I'd rather see the original report, but don't have the time at the moment to dig that deeply.

Mr. Saakashvili, who has compared Russia’s incursion into Georgia to the Nazi annexations in Europe in 1938 and the Soviet suppression of Prague in 1968, faces domestic unease with his leadership and skepticism about his judgment from Western governments.

Well how about that: some skepticism in action at the political level. Let's all don party hats and toss confetti.

DR

 

[Drewbot]

i get the impression nobody gives a F about what the people in those provinces want

I think you are dead on. When determining their courses of action, Russians, US, France, The UN, don't care what the people in these small countries want. They care about what makes them look good. If any of us cared what the people in each little country wanted, don't you think we would have intervened in the Sudan? or Cambodia?

 

[moon1969]

"Georgia without Saakashvili is Georgia without Terror."
-Badri Patarkatsishvili-