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Russia invades Georgia

Matteo Martini said:
China has no money?
Uh..??
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Problem with reading verb tenses?

China hasn't. As in "has not". All the money in the world won't let them time travel and buy equipment in the past, and major military buildups take years to do at best. Manufacturers don't keep large inventories of military helicopters in stock waiting for a major purchase, they build to order, and none of them have the throughput capacity of something like an automobile manufacturer.
 
Ziggurat said:
Problem with reading verb tenses?

China hasn't. As in "has not". All the money in the world won't let them time travel and buy equipment in the past, and major military buildups take years to do at best. Manufacturers don't keep large inventories of military helicopters in stock waiting for a major purchase, they build to order, and none of them have the throughput capacity of something like an automobile manufacturer.
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You missed that britian is probably looking to buy anything they do build which creates further supply issues.
 
Ziggurat said:
Problem with reading verb tenses?

China hasn't. As in "has not". All the money in the world won't let them time travel and buy equipment in the past, and major military buildups take years to do at best. Manufacturers don't keep large inventories of military helicopters in stock waiting for a major purchase, they build to order, and none of them have the throughput capacity of something like an automobile manufacturer.
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China in 2003 had a GDP about 10% less than France, which has a nuclear powered aircraft carrier, quite a lot of nuclear weapons and a powerful air-force.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
Israel illegally occupy another country for several decades, and they remain great friends of the US.

Russia performs the same actions, and there are calls of it being ostracized from the International Community.

Got to love the double standards in 2008.
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i partially agree, but Israel was accepted by the UNO.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
i partially agree, but Israel was accepted by the UNO.
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I also partially agreed.
I have nothing against Israel, but we to take into account that the UNO too, decides which countries to accept and which countries not to accept on the basis of power dynamics, I guess, not (or, at least, not only) on "fairness"
 
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Matteo Martini said:
I also partially agreed.
I have nothing against Israel, but we to take into account that the UNO too, decides which countries to accept and which countries not to accept on the basis of power dynamics, I guess, not (or, at least, not only) on "fairness"
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well i fully agree on that :)
 
Dictator Cheney said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations

in my country called UNO
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Right. In that case...



Dictator Cheney said:
i partially agree, but Israel was accepted by the UNO.
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Matteo Martini said:
I also partially agreed.
I have nothing against Israel, but we to take into account that the UNO too, decides which countries to accept and which countries not to accept on the basis of power dynamics, I guess, not (or, at least, not only) on "fairness"
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You two need a course in logic. Let me get this straight, here's what you're arguing...

Israel illegally occupy another country and it's okay (that in itself is highly questionable, to say the least), the reason being (according to you) because Israel is recognised as a member of the UN.

But Russia illegally occupy another country and it's not okay, and the reason according to you is... they're not recognised as a member of the UN...

Um...

You guys didn't think that through did you?
 
Matteo Martini said:
China in 2003 had a GDP about 10% less than France, which has a nuclear powered aircraft carrier, quite a lot of nuclear weapons and a powerful air-force.
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First of all, that is irrelevant because China has to use its smaller GDP to feed, house, clothe, educate, protect (and so on) a many times larger population. Not to mention build all the infrastructure it currently lacks. This means you are comparing apples and oranges.

Secondly, the key point that they have been trying to tell you is that it takes more than money to build military capability. It also takes time. Time to build the infrastructure and time to train and recruit the people.
 
gumboot said:
Right. In that case...







You two need a course in logic. Let me get this straight, here's what you're arguing...

Israel illegally occupy another country and it's okay (that in itself is highly questionable, to say the least), the reason being (according to you) because Israel is recognised as a member of the UN.

But Russia illegally occupy another country and it's not okay, and the reason according to you is... they're not recognised as a member of the UN...

Um...

You guys didn't think that through did you?
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its not about Israel beeing a UN Member its about that the UN allowed them to take that land. there is the diffrence i see.

i also think that Russia should take back theyr troops.

on the other hand i had to laugh very hard when Bush said that invading other countrys does not belong into the 21th century. And what about Iraq?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
its not about Israel beeing a UN Member its about that the UN allowed them to take that land. there is the diffrence i see.
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They did? When did the UN ever approve illegal occupation by Israel?

And what did the UN do to prevent Russia invading Georgia/South Ossetia?

Or did the UN "allow" them to take that too?
 
Undesired Walrus said:
They didn't. Israel violated UN resolution 425 for 22 years.
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i was thinking about UN resolution 181 to begin with.
and yes Israel often violated several UN resolutions. And several arab nations and Palestina never accepted UN resolution 181.

and later they indeed also occupied land illegaly.
 
gumboot said:
They did? When did the UN ever approve illegal occupation by Israel?

And what did the UN do to prevent Russia invading Georgia/South Ossetia?

Or did the UN "allow" them to take that too?
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what did the UN do to protect South Ossetians?
or what did the UN to prevent the USA invading Iraq?
 
So we're in agreement that neither Israel nor Russia's "illegal occupation" (accepting for a moment that's what they both are) was approved nor allowed by the UN, and that Undesired Walrus's comment about hypocrisy is about the responses of specific individual countries (i.e. the USA) and not the United Nations?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
what did the UN do to protect South Ossetians?
or what did the UN to prevent the USA invading Iraq?
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Nothing. Which is precisely my point. The UN has not allowed anything in any cases, nor has it approved anything. So trying to find some distinction in the UN's approach to Israel and Russia is a fruitless task.

(Although it's interesting that you mention Iraq, because we're talking occupation here, not invasion, and the UN approved and legalised the occupation of Iraq, therefore it's not relevant)
 
gtc said:
First of all, that is irrelevant because China has to use its smaller GDP to feed, house, clothe, educate, protect (and so on) a many times larger population. [..]
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Look at how much is the cost of a dish of rice in rural China
 
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