Rush Limbaugh Sacked

[Tony]

Here is a JREF example:

Thanks.

 

[Tricky]

You have a low standard for racism. Do you think people like Jesse Jackson and other black supremacists are racists too? Or is your standard for racism lower for white people?

Yeah, I think Jesse is prejudiced, but black supremacist? Do you have any evidence for this label?

 

[Tony]

Yeah, I think Jesse is prejudiced, but black supremacist? Do you have any evidence for this label?

Yes I do, his support of affirmative action, a program that elevates one race to the detriment of another. Sounds like supremacism to me.

 

[c0rbin]

Yes I do, his support of affirmative action, a program that elevates one race to the detriment of another. Sounds like supremacism to me.

Beware white america!

Black people want to be able to vote without having to worry if the water hoses are going to squirt them down the street!

 

[Tony]

Beware white america!

Black people want to be able to vote without having to worry if the water hoses are going to squirt them down the street!

This is the 00's not the 60's. Your sarcasm is 40 years behind the times.

 

[Upchurch]

Originally posted by Upchurch
I dunno. Does Rush play the theme song from "Leave it to Beaver" or refer to Tom Daschle's inability to dance while doing it?

No, but if you've ever listened to Rush 24/7 (his internet broadcast) you would hear a funny and potentially insulting parody of the "Tom Daschle Show".

I don't listen to Rush anymore, so I've never heard the parody. However, I take it that he bases the parody on Daschle's politics. By playing "The Jeffersons" in reference to Moseley-Braun, he is paroding\mocking\whatever at least part of his message on the fact that Moseley-Braun is black rather than on her politics.

 

[Tony]

No, but if you've ever listened to Rush 24/7 (his internet broadcast) you would hear a funny and potentially insulting parody of the "Tom Daschle Show".

I don't listen to Rush anymore, so I've never heard the parody. However, I take it that he bases the parody on Daschle's politics. By playing "The Jeffersons" in reference to Moseley-Braun, he is paroding\mocking\whatever at least part of his message on the fact that Moseley-Braun is black rather than on her politics. [/QUOTE]

Perhaps you are right about that.

but..

People like her and other "minorities" don’t run on politics, they intentionally elevate the fact that they are a "minority" in the hope that it will get them votes. If someone is using their status as a “minority” while running for office, they should expect to have that attacked. I would expect the same treatment for a white guy using the fact that he is white as a campaign strategy.

 

[c0rbin]

I would think that black a candidate for office would be a fool not to use the fact that they are black to gain votes or funding.

White people use their connections to do so all the time. Those are the advantages that white people have--generations of connections and access to opportunity.

I think any black person who is eligble and able to run for a public office is a walking monument to what this country can be.

To come from generations of poverty and forced ignorance to gain such a social position is laudable

The fact that their recent ancestors (likely their parents a scant 40 years ago) had to suffer the indignity of America's racism and still they rise to the occasion is worthy of celebration.

Tony, why would you resent such a celebration?

 

[Upchurch]

People like her and other "minorities" don’t run on politics, they intentionally elevate the fact that they are a "minority" in the hope that it will get them votes. If someone is using their status as a “minority” while running for office, they should expect to have that attacked. I would expect the same treatment for a white guy using the fact that he is white as a campaign strategy.

Does she though?

Googling for her website, I see more emphesis on her being a woman than on her being black. i.e. this press release or the number of African-American links (9) vs. Women links (49) on her site.

Yes, I realize women also have "minority" status (why still confounds me), but if Moseley-Braun puts more emphesis in her being a woman, does Rush parody that as well or does he only parody her being black?

 

[Tony]

I would think that black a candidate for office would be a fool not to use the fact that they are black to gain votes or funding.

So you excuse racism for one group but not for the other?

White people use their connections to do so all the time. Those are the advantages that white people have--generations of connections and access to opportunity.

This is a myth. I dont have generations of connections and oppurtunity and I bet most white people dont either.

Besides, its not the same thing.

I think any black person who is eligble and able to run for a public office is a walking monument to what this country can be.

It doesnt matter one way or the other to me.

Tony, why would you resent such a celebration?

Why do you assume I do?

 

[Tricky]

Yes I do, his support of affirmative action, a program that elevates one race to the detriment of another. Sounds like supremacism to me.

Then you have a very odd definition of supremism. A racial supremist would claim that one race is inherently better than another. I have never heard Jesse Jackson say anything even vaguely like that. If anything, affirmative action (as it applies to blacks) says that blacks are admittedly less qualified than whites, but that they deserve a break because of historical circumstances. Debatably, that may be considered deliberate prejudice, but it is the opposite of supremism.

I suspect you just like the sound of "Black supremist", rather than having thought it through. It makes them sound so evil.

 

[Michael Redman]

You have a low standard for racism. Do you think people like Jesse Jackson and other black supremacists are racists too? Or is your standard for racism lower for white people?

Any person who thinks members of one racial group are inherently better than those of another is a racist. That's not a low standard.

Rush is an idiot. The more I think about this, the more I think he was just looking for an excuse to get into racial politics, and he's too ignorant to spot the right opportunity. McNabb is currently getting plenty of criticism for a couple of bad games, despite the fact that he has established himself in recent years to be one of the best. It's not like he has anyone to throw to, or to run, or to block. It's all him. They've assembled a crappy offense around him, and he gets the blame. It would be much easier to defend the statement that he was being underrated by the media because he's black. Still wrong, but at least the argument wouldn't look so stupid.

 

[Tony]

Then you have a very odd definition of supremism. A racial supremist would claim that one race is inherently better than another. If anything, affirmative action (as it applies to blacks) says that blacks are admittedly less qualified than whites, but that they deserve a break because of historical circumstances. Debatably, that may be considered deliberate prejudice, but it is the opposite of supremism.

Thats clever spin, I gotta give you props on that.

 

[Tony]

Any person who thinks members of one racial group are inherently better than those of another is a racist. That's not a low standard.

I dont disagree, but you have yet to prove Rush thinks like that.

Rush is an idiot. The more I think about this, the more I think he was just looking for an excuse to get into racial politics, and he's too ignorant to spot the right opportunity. McNabb is currently getting plenty of criticism for a couple of bad games, despite the fact that he has established himself in recent years to be one of the best. It's not like he has anyone to throw to, or to run, or to block. It's all him. They've assembled a crappy offense around him, and he gets the blame. It would be much easier to defend the statement that he was being underrated by the media because he's black. Still wrong, but at least the argument wouldn't look so stupid.

Good point. (about Rush, I dont know anything about McNabb)

 

[hgc]

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Rush is an idiot. The more I think about this, the more I think he was just looking for an excuse to get into racial politics, and he's too ignorant to spot the right opportunity. ...

You have just cut to the heart of the issue. Rush is obsessed with racial politics, and doesn't have enough sense to realize that this wasn't the platform to indulge this particular obsession. If he would only stick to talking about football, which is ostensibly what he was hired to do, then he'd be fine.

 

[crackmonkey]

I barely know a thing about football, but wasn't one of the teams fined for hiring a white coach without interviewing several black candidates? If so, Rush was correct in that race is a factor in the NFL. I don't know a thing about the player, so I can't comment on whether he's overrated or give an opinion as to why. If the team was fined for hiring a white coach, then Rush's scenario is certainly plausible.

 

[Furious]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,92951,00.html

It was the Detroit Lions.

Basically, they had already decided to hire Steve Mariucci, but NFL regulations require that at least one minority candidate must be interviewed unless the coach is promoted from within the current organization.

Even though they contacted five minority coaches for an interview, they all declined, as it was obvious who was going to get the position. Since they didn't technically interview a minority, they were hit with the fine.

EDITED TO ADD:

So yes, if Steve Mariucci had been a minority, they would not have gotten fined.

 

[Michael Redman]

I dont disagree, but you have yet to prove Rush thinks like that.

To prove it to you, perhaps, but that was never my concern. If he thinks otherwise, he's intentionally mislead us all as to his real nature. I don't care what he really thinks. He walks like a racist, and talks like a racist. That's good enough for me.


Crackmonkey - Yes, race is considered by the NFL in that circumstance. The NFL wants teams to interview minority coaches as a sort of affirmative action, due to a tradition of never considering minority coaches for head coaching jobs. They don't have to hire them, they just have to invite them in and interview them. They're just trying to impose a little exposure of minority candidates on NFL teams, for the potential benefit of both. Or so the theory goes. The rule has it's problems, as evidenced by the Detroit situation, but this certainly isn't a situation where the NFL is claiming that minorities are better than they reall are for some reason. They're just helping them get a foot in the door. After that, it's up to them. There is no requirement that they get hired.

The NFL wants minority coaches to have better access to head coaching jobs. The NFL also has an interest in countering the old myth that only white guys could successfully play quarterback. Guys like McNabb, Culpepper, and Vick shatter that myth, not by being overrated by the media, but by being among the best quarterbacks playing the game. Players are evaluated on statistics, and no amount of wanting certain people to succeed is going to complete passes or score touchdowns.

Why would a media bent on unfairly promoting the black quarterback be so harsh on Kordell Stewart and Tony Banks? Every good game Banks has is written off as a fluke, and the Cardinals' decision to go into the season with him as their quarterback was declared to be an admission of mediocrity, and a season over before it started. Wouldn't the media, in Rush's world, be hyping the rebirth of the team, not that perpetual (white) loser Jake plummer was gone, and a truely gifted (black) quarterback was in town?

Everyone on earth may want to see McNabb do well. However, no amount of wishing will make it so. He's done well because he's good.

 

[Ed]

More strawman.

I guess making jokes about the sacred minority is racism, but making jokes about whites isnt. The usual double standard.

Sad but true

 

[nightwind]

Rush

Now it looks as though the "liberal media" may have also made Rush use drugs illegally.