Rush Limbaugh Sacked

[Michael Redman]

What evidence is there that the supposed overrating of McNabb is due to the color of his skin? None, of course. McNabb's skin color has not been an issue with the media, like it might have been back when black quarterbacks were a novelty in the NFL. The issue of the ability of black quarterbacks has been retired in the NFL. It’s old news to the media.

But the issue of color isn't old news with Rush. He assumes a black quarterback is inherently inferior, and therefore any elevating of a black quarterback to an elite level must be due to some factor other than his play. No one can look at McNabb's last couple of seasons, without bias, and conclude anything other than he is one of the elite quarterbacks in the NFL. Take a look at where he was picked in fantasy football drafts this year (1st or 2nd QB in most leagues). Are these people betting money on him because he’s black? Or is it because they think he’s about the best there is out there, based on recent performance? He was #1 on my list, and with $1000 on the line, I don't care if he's black, white, gay, female, or blind. I assumed he could replicate the amazing success he's had in receny years, and I don't base that on the media spin, but on the raw numbers.

When someone says that an elite player is actually overrated because of the color of his skin, it isn’t too much of a stretch to conclude that that person underrates the player due to the color of his skin. Rush is a racist. The arguments that he is not really racist boil down to arguing that the word "racist" doesn't really mean what people think it means, or that there isn't anything wrong with racism.

Racist or not, Rush is a complete idiot when it comes to football, anyway. The program is going to be better without him.

 

[Tony]

When someone says that an elite player is actually overrated because of the color of his skin, it isn’t too much of a stretch to conclude that that person underrates the player due to the color of his skin. Rush is a racist.

Its funny how fast skepticism gets trashed when you have the opportunity to accuse someone you hate of racism.

 

[Upchurch]

Rush was/is a shock jock, such things are to be expected.

expected, perhaps, but should such things be accepted?

So I guess when he makes fun of Tom Dachele(sp?) it is because of race too?

I dunno. Does Rush play the theme song from "Leave it to Beaver" or refer to Tom Daschle's inability to dance while doing it?

edited to fix typo

 

[c0rbin]

Its funny how fast skepticism gets trashed when you have the opportunity to accuse someone you hate of racism.

Address the argument Redman makes, Tony. Your reply doesn't even begin to make sense, if racism is a factor.

Some claim it is and some claim it isn't.

You have already claimed it is. So please follow through with your statement by tying into Redman's point.

 

[Tmy]

Whats funny is how all these bigots who are rushing to Rushs side were the same people who crucified the Dixe Chicks.

Liek teh chicks , Rush is a fool. He shouldve known better he workls in the biz. He already has the rep of being a bigot,, theres no way ESPN can stand for that nonsence. He brought in race from left field, with noting to support his allegations. Sure the press has their favorites, Bret Farve comes to mind. But it woule be uncalled for for an analyst to say "Bret Farve gets a pass cause he's a good old boy hillbilly."

 

[Tricky]

if Rush is a racist for the things he is saying, then so is Chris Rock.

Is it really possible that you and Tony cannot tell the difference between things said during a comedy performance and things said in a serious discussion?

I guess that means that Carol O'Conner was a racist, because while playing Archie Bunker, he made lots of bigoted comments.

 

[Blue Monk]

And Clinton DIDN'T have sex with Monica.

Don't be silly.

It means he was RIGHT to have sex with Monica.

 

[rikzilla]

Well,...

IMHO racism is the evil KKK guy preaching irrational hatred. There are plenty of nuts looking forward to RAHOWA...plenty who want to kill white folks for interracial sex/marriage...what are we to call THESE idiots if we must all chant "RACIST!!" at a guy like Rush Limbaugh?

Rush is biased and prejudiced...sure...but does that rise to the level of neo-Nazi hatred?? I don't think so.

I don't think I'm trying to re-invent the meaning of racism....I am merely trying to stop the re-invention/overuse of the term. Sooner or later the label RACIST is going to become banal and meaningless. Lets reserve it for those who truly deserve it....and there's plenty who do BTW.

-z

racism

n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races 2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

 

[JamesM]

I don't think I'm trying to re-invent the meaning of racism....I am merely trying to stop the re-invention/overuse of the term. Sooner or later the label RACIST is going to become banal and meaningless. Lets reserve it for those who truly deserve it....and there's plenty who do BTW.

Speaking of which, would you mind clarifying your reference to gypsies/'pikeys' that you made in this post?

 

[corplinx]

The only racism I see in the "great white hope" type coverage the sports press runs about athletes in roles where their skin color in in the minority. If you guys think what Rush said on the other hand is racist, then it says something really sad about the blinders people choose to wear depending on the speaker and the cognitive dissonance people will stoop to.

 

[Tony]

expected, perhaps, but should such things be accepted?

I dont mind them.

I dunno. Does Rush play the theme song from "Leave it to Beaver" or refer to Tom Daschle's inability to dance while doing it?

No, but if you've ever listened to Rush 24/7 (his internet broadcast) you would hear a funny and potentially insulting parody of the "Tom Daschle Show".

 

[Tony]

Is it really possible that you and Tony cannot tell the difference between things said during a comedy performance and things said in a serious discussion?

What evidence do you have that those quotes attributed to Rush were made in a serious discussion? Remember, he used to be, and to a certain extent, still is a shock jock. Have you ever listened to his show? He does parodies and imitations all the time.

 

[Tony]

Whats funny is how all these bigots who are rushing to Rushs side were the same people who crucified the Dixe Chicks.

Who are you talking about?

 

[Tony]

Address the argument Redman makes, Tony. Your reply doesn't even begin to make sense, if racism is a factor.

Some claim it is and some claim it isn't.

You have already claimed it is. So please follow through with your statement by tying into Redman's point.

Huh?

I never claimed racism was a factor. And I did address Redmans argument. Redman makes a giant leap of logic when calling rush a racist. He even admits it.

When someone says that an elite player is actually overrated because of the color of his skin, it isn’t too much of a stretch to conclude that that person underrates the player due to the color of his skin.

He is turning a cynical opinion into a racist opinion without any evidence.

 

[Nie Trink Wasser]

Originally posted by Tmy
Whats funny is how all these bigots who are rushing to Rushs side were the same people who crucified the Dixe Chicks.

artists arent the only people intitled to free speech.

 

[rikzilla]

Speaking of which, would you mind clarifying your reference to gypsies/'pikeys' that you made in this post?

Hey, I'm an American...what the hell do I know about Gypsies or Pikeys?? I was making a joke. Based on a very dim idea of what a pikey or gypsy is like (we don't have them over here) It's a fairly obvious joke as well, all I know about Pikeys I learned from that movie (Snatch). Perhaps a Brit could be taken to task as insensitive...etc.... Maybe it was in bad taste...but I can use the comedy defense. Rush, however, was dead serious.

-z


Click here, then watch the "Snatch" trailer. Brad Pitt was awesome as "the Pikey"....Guy Ritchie rocks!

 

[Tony]

Speaking of..Are pikeys real? Was the way they were portrayed in "Snatch" close to reality? Do they really talk like that?

 

[Michael Redman]

He is turning a cynical opinion into a racist opinion without any evidence.

That's not true, of course. There is ample evidence of Rush's low opinion of minorities. I'm using Rush's history, his statement, and my knowledge of the facts, and of human behavior to infer that Rush is a racist. I don't have empirical evidence of his racist inner thoughts. I am expressing an opinion. I think Rush is a racist. And I feel that is it a perfectly reasonable, and well supported opinion.

Rikzilla, I totally agree that the label is way overused. However, I would feel comforable putting Rush up against and card carrying member of the Klan when it comes to bigotry.

 

[Crossbow]

Who are you talking about?

Here is a JREF example:

Originally posted by American on May 2, 2003
No, I will keep a grudge. And from now on Bruce Springsteen is the "4th Dixie Chick".

Afterall, we're talking about sombody whose song appeared on the Jerry McGuire soundtrack, set to lines like "You complete me", and "Shut up... you had me from hello!"

All their music sucks royally. They are four singing vaginas, nothing more.

 

[Tony]

That's not true, of course. There is ample evidence of Rush's low opinion of minorities. I'm using Rush's history, his statement, and my knowledge of the facts, and of human behavior to infer that Rush is a racist. I don't have empirical evidence of his racist inner thoughts. I am expressing an opinion. I think Rush is a racist. And I feel that is it a perfectly reasonable, and well supported opinion.

You have a low standard for racism. Do you think people like Jesse Jackson and other black supremacists are racists too? Or is your standard for racism lower for white people?