Rumsfeld proven a liar. Twice.

[Rob Lister]

Completely impervious to reality...

And yet, you have not provided the link

(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003

Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.

Oops.


Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.

 

[jimtron]

In my opinion it doesn't matter if Rumsfeld admitted saying it or not; it's demonstrably true that he did say it.

 

[Rob Lister]

In my opinion it doesn't matter if Rumsfeld admitted saying it or not; it's demonstrably true that he did say it.

Then demonstrate it.

 

[CFLarsen]

And yet, you have not provided the link

(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003

Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.

Oops.


Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.

You are demonstrably wrong.

You have several times been presented with evidence that Rumsfeld has said that there is bulletproof evidence of a link between Saddam and 9-11.

The New York Times, and a month later.

It is a fact that this evidence exists.

It is a fact that you ignore this evidence.

You, my friend, have no case. The only thing that is of interest is, why do you do it? Your posting history on this thread clearly indicates that you are insane.

Now, I would like to believe that this is not so. That you are in fact playing a game of some sorts. If the latter is true, please say so. If there is anything behind your inane repetitions of the same, unfounded, refuted claim, please say so.

Why are you doing this? What are you trying to prove?

Repeating your unfounded claim will do nothing except enforce the contention that you are, in fact, insane.

So, what's it going to be?

 

[Rob Lister]

You are demonstrably wrong.

You have several times been presented with evidence that Rumsfeld has said that there is bulletproof evidence of a link between Saddam and 9-11.

The New York Times, and a month later.

It is a fact that this evidence exists.

It is a fact that you ignore this evidence.

You, my friend, have no case. The only thing that is of interest is, why do you do it? Your posting history on this thread clearly indicates that you are insane.

Now, I would like to believe that this is not so. That you are in fact playing a game of some sorts. If the latter is true, please say so. If there is anything behind your inane repetitions of the same, unfounded, refuted claim, please say so.

Why are you doing this? What are you trying to prove?

Repeating your unfounded claim will do nothing except enforce the contention that you are, in fact, insane.

So, what's it going to be?

Odd that you call me demonstratable wrong for quoting your opening post and asking you to provide a link.

Here, I'll help again.

(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003

Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.

Oops.


Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.

 

[clk]

You have several times been presented with evidence that Rumsfeld has said that there is bulletproof evidence of a link between Saddam and 9-11.

Where was this evidence? I missed it. The Times article says that Rumsfeld claimed Saddam had links to Al Qaida, not 9-11.

 

[CFLarsen]

Odd that you call me demonstratable wrong for quoting your opening post and asking you to provide a link.

Here, I'll help again.

(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003

Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.

Oops.


Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.

I rest my case.

 

[CFLarsen]

Where was this evidence? I missed it. The Times article says that Rumsfeld claimed Saddam had links to Al Qaida, not 9-11.

And Al Qaeda is responsible for 9-11.

Correct?

 

[Rob Lister]

I rest my case.

Please don't rest your case before providing the evidence. If you can't provide it...if you were mistaken...just admit it.


(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003

Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.

Oops.


Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.

 

[clk]

And Al Qaeda is responsible for 9-11.

Correct?

So what? If I know a guy named Bob, and he commits murder, does that link me to the murder? No. So your question is completely irrelevant. In your opening post, you claimed that in the NY Times, Rumsfeld said there was a link between Saddam and 9/11. However, the article says:

Administration officials say there is still no evidence to link Mr. Hussein directly to the attacks on Sept. 11 in the United States.

So the article says exactly the opposite of what you claimed it said. Do you wish to retract your claim?

 

[CFLarsen]

So what?

I asked you a question. Is Al Qaeda responsible for 9-11, yes or no?

 

[Rob Lister]

So the article says exactly the opposite of what you claimed it said. Do you wish to retract your claim?

I do not think he will retract the claim but he may well use your argument to change the subject.

 

[clk]

I asked you a question. Is Al Qaeda responsible for 9-11, yes or no?

This question is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Answer my question: The article you sourced says exactly the opposite of what you claimed it said. Do you wish to retract your claim?

 

[jimtron]

Where was this evidence? I missed it. The Times article says that Rumsfeld claimed Saddam had links to Al Qaida, not 9-11.

The point is that Rumsfeld claimed there was a bulletproof link between Hussein and Al Qaida. Since Al Qaida was behind the 9/11 attacks, this was alarming and helped support the argument for war. In my view Rumsfeld knew or should have known that were not significant links between Hussein and Al Qaida.

Does anyone here doubt that the Administration tried to associate Hussein and 9/11 in the minds of Americans, and that this was misleading and dishonest (even though they may or may not have explicitly stated such a thing)?

For me it's not so important whether they technically lied or not (although clearly there were blatant, actual lies). What's relevant is that they clearly (in my view) misled their people about the reality of the situation. They wanted to invade Iraq, and whether that was a good idea or not, they were not honest and forthright about the potential threat of Iraq.

If our government is going to send our 18 year olds overseas to risk their lives, they should be honest about what's going on. This idea that Iraq was an imminent threat to the U.S. was clearly bogus.

(edited for spelling)

 

[CFLarsen]

This question is completely and utterly irrelevant.

You can't avoid pertinent questions by proclaiming them irrelevant.

Is Al Qaeda responsible for 9-11, yes or no?

Answer my question: The article you sourced says exactly the opposite of what you claimed it said. Do you wish to retract your claim?

Rumsfeld claimed that there was a link between Saddam and 9-11. That is a fact.

Deal with it.

 

[Rob Lister]

You can't avoid pertinent questions by proclaiming them irrelevant.

Nor can you avoid this:

(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003

Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.

Oops.


Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.

 

[CFLarsen]

Nor can you avoid this:

(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003

Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.

Oops.


Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.

Seek help.

I really mean that.

 

[clk]

The point is that Rumsfeld claimed there was a bulletproof link between Hussein and Al Qaida. Since Al Qaida was behind the 9/11 attacks, this was alarming and helped support the argument for war. In my view Rumsfeld knew or should have known that were not significant links between Hussein and Al Qaida.

Does anyone here doubt that the Administration tried to associate Hussein and 9/11 in the minds of Americans, and that this was misleading and dishonest (even though they may or may not have explicitly stated such a thing)?

For me it's not so important whether they technically lied or not (although clearly there were blatant, actual lies). What's relevant is that they clearly (in my view) misled there people about the reality of the situation. They wanted to invade Iraq, and whether that was a good idea or not, they were not honest and forthright about the potential threat of Iraq.

If our government is going to send our 18 year olds overseas to risk their lives, they should be honest about what's going on. This idea that Iraq was an imminent threat to the U.S. was clearly bogus.

Oh hell, there's no doubt that they tried to convince Americans that there was a link between 9/11 and Saddam. To this day, Bush still uses "9/11" and "Iraq" in the same sentence as often as possible in an attempt to make people think there's a connection. But they are not stupid about it. They never came out and said he was tied to 9/11, despite what Claus thinks. They always said he was tied to Al Qaida. Those are two competely different things.

In fact, I agree with everything you say in your post. I'm just arguing otherwise because:
-It's fun to see Claus try to defend himself when it's clear he made a false claim.
-I feel like playing semantics today.

 

[clk]

Is Al Qaeda responsible for 9-11, yes or no?

Yup.

Rumsfeld claimed that there was a link between Saddam and 9-11. That is a fact.

Where? Funny you didn't mention the following article:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-09-16-rumsfeld-iraq-911_x.htm

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said Tuesday he had no reason to believe that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had a hand in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States.

 

[Rob Lister]

Seek help.

I really mean that.

And I really, really think YOU can help by providing evidence of YOUR assertion.

Let me help put that in context


(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?

Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003

Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.

Oops.


Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.