Rumsfeld proven a liar. Twice.
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Now ask those same people to locate Iraq on a map.
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How is that relevant?
If you are trying to suggest that the collective ignorance of the American people makes them easily duped, then that's as may be. But it hardly excuses deceiving them, does it?
If you are trying to suggest that the collective ignorance of the American people makes them easily duped, then that's as may be. But it hardly excuses deceiving them, does it?
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It leaves is with an argument on semantics. I said they never said it directly, but I believe their aim was to make people believe it, while leaving room for deniability. At the time, it did sound to me like that was what they were trying to get us to believe. And look at the polls from back then. It apparently worked. It doesn't matter if I didn't believe them. I don't think they were aiming at me.
I'm not telling Claus anything. There are people who delight in finding faults in any of Claus' arguments. I am not one of them. He stated in the OP that Rumsfeld was caught lying on 2 occasions. The first, regarding WMDs, and having "bulletproof" evidence of where they are, is obvious. The second is more ambiguous. Because of the careful wording the Bushies used, they can weasel out of most of the claims that they specifically stated that Saddam was behind 9/11. That's where it becomes a matter of semantics. Is it a lie if they don't specifically say it, but are trying to convey the idea?
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What you believe may or may not be true, but it doesn't address the only reason I"m posting here: to get clause to support his assertion.
To witt:
I could care less either way but it's fun to watch him build strawman after strawmen to try to wiggle out of it. Semantics? CFL is the master.
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In that case, I'll stay out of it.
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(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?
Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003
Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.
Oops.
Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.
Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003
Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.
Oops.
Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.
What assertion? I haven't claimed that Rummy said that Saddam had "something to do" with 9-11. I have asked you repeatedly to provide evidence of this. So far, you haven't been able to.
I am beginning to think that you are not able to at all.
Saying what? That there was a link between Saddam and 9-11? That, you already agreed to.
I don't see any evidence that anyone said that Saddam had "something to do" - your words - with 9-11.
You are building a strawman here. Not me.
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To reiterate:
(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?
Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003
Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.
Oops.
Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.
I don't see any evidence that anyone said that Saddam had "something to do" - your words - with 9-11.
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This isn't complicated CFL.
(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?
Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003
Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.
Oops.
Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.
jimtron
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Does anyone involved in this thread doubt that Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush misled us about the war? Does anyone believe that they looked at all the evidence with an open, critical mind and levelled with the American people about it?
It seems extremely clear to me that even if they truly thought they were doing the right thing by invading Iraq, they knowingly misled us regarding threats to the U.S. and connections between Hussein and Al Qaeda.
It seems extremely clear to me that even if they truly thought they were doing the right thing by invading Iraq, they knowingly misled us regarding threats to the U.S. and connections between Hussein and Al Qaeda.
You have seen evidence that he did, in fact, link Saddam to 9-11.
LINK.
You agreed to this:
So, what is it you are arguing here? I am missing something. Don't keep repeating your posts - it will not result in any clarification. Merely repeating a point that is not understood does nothing to promote understanding. That is merely pontification based on the belief that you are right.
What are you arguing?
You won't get a clear answer from Rob Lister, that's for sure.
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I can do nothing but repeat the request that you back-up your assertion with evidence.
(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?
Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003
Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.
Oops.
Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.
And that is the problem.
You don't respond to stimuli.
You are oblivious to reason.
You are shutting your mind to other explanations.
You repeat the same thing, over and over again, expecting a different result.
Why are you not insane?
I'm serious.
jimtron
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Rob: Rumsfeld is on record as making the bulletproof evidence claim.
Perhaps this: "A month later, he admitted saying it" is not true (I'm not sure either way). Who cares? Isn't the gist of the OP true?
Perhaps this: "A month later, he admitted saying it" is not true (I'm not sure either way). Who cares? Isn't the gist of the OP true?
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Gee, it seems we must be twins. Provide the requested link and I'm out of here.
I can do nothing but repeat the request that you back-up your assertion with evidence.
(Woman) You said about a year ago, that there was bullet-proof evidence, that Saddam Hu...of links between Saddam Hussein and the September 11th attacks. When will the American public see that sort of evidence?
Donald Rumsfeld: I did not say that. And whoever said I said it, is wrong.
The National Press Club, September 10, 2003
Clause: According to the New York Times, September he did say it, on September 27th, 2002. A month later, he admitted saying it.
Oops.
Oops indeed, CFL. Please link to Donald admitting he said that.