Rudy Giuliani's platform for '08

What if the drama isn't of their own making? You have to remember, many people get paid beau coup dollars to manufacture drama.

How much drama on the news lately is manufactured? What happens when the drama writers turn their pens on the other candidates.

OK. But consider Bill Clinton's roll in the White House with his wife running the Free World. He will create his own drama. He is a gifted attention-hog, and a certified sex-addict. I think it is fair to say, even without outside medling, if Hillary wins, drama will ensue.
 
What if the drama isn't of their own making? You have to remember, many people get paid beau coup dollars to manufacture drama.

How much drama on the news lately is manufactured? What happens when the drama writers turn their pens on the other candidates.

C'mon, getting blown in the Whitehouse was not manufactured. Neither was the purjury he committed regarding it. While both sides of the political spectrum exploited it (He's being impeached for sex! He's a sex addict!) it was Clinton made drama.

But as I said, that isn't the deciding issue. The deciding issue is the Clintons reliability on their positions. I find both Rudy and Obama to be much more credible, much stronger diplomats, but I haven't probed deeply enough to make a decision between the two.
 
I've never seen any indication you don't support them. You attack dems for doing something and then make excuses when a republican does the same thing. You tend to toe their party line, and you're still willing to support a republican candidate even after the disaster they're wrought on this country. Correct me if I am wrong.
Corp may post from the right side of things more often than not, but he comes across as pretty fair. It seems to me he just prefers to post more on the side he's leaning toward, like a lot of us more moderates do. 've never considered him to be a party-line toeer (toer?).
 
C'mon, getting blown in the Whitehouse was not manufactured. Neither was the purjury he committed regarding it. While both sides of the political spectrum exploited it (He's being impeached for sex! He's a sex addict!) it was Clinton made drama.

But as I said, that isn't the deciding issue. The deciding issue is the Clintons reliability on their positions. I find both Rudy and Obama to be much more credible, much stronger diplomats, but I haven't probed deeply enough to make a decision between the two.

Look, I won't argue that the Clintons have not created drama. If you want an instance of manufactured drama, look at the Hillary comment about "dealing with bad men" from a while back. It turned into a self-perpetuating story.

So yes, we would prefer drama free candidates but Rudy has too much personal baggage and there will be a lot of manufactured drama where it gets rehashed by a press bored and needing a story to run.
 
Rudy's Platform

Rudy Giuliani's platform for '08
(For a presidential race)
Here is how I envision it: Rudy on a ten meter high dive platform, an empty swimming pool below him, me cheering him on to jump.

As a mayor, he was effective, as a president, he'd make a good mayor of New York.

His known position on guns (granted, he was dealing with a complex urban environment) is a complete non starter for me. If he adjusted this, I may see him in a more favorable light.

His authoritarian approach tells me he will continue the absurdity that is "The War On Drugs," and the needless overcrowding of prisons, etc.

He's a New Yawker. That's a minus for me, on the national scene. Within the context of New York and the Tri State area, it's a plus.

Anyone recall John Lindsay? He turned down RFK's Senate seat to remain Mayor of New York. I see Rudy as being similarly enamored of New York as "the center of the universe."

His record as a DA/prosecutor is a plus.

I was around the greater New York Metro area when he and Donna Hanover's marriage broke up very publicly. I don't care how you slice it, it was ugly, though I am not sure if it was Rudy the attention whore, or Rudy under a microscope of the New York Media as mayor. Or both. It seems to me that classy people try to keep their private affairs private. It's a damned shame his marriage did not work out, but many marriages suffer under the strains of ambition and success writ large. Unlike what some people seem to be doing in the media wars, I don't hold his divorces against him (save his handling of them) since it's a common modern affliction.

I will guess he'd be for a strong defense, but I don't think he has a clue what that means.

I don't see him as very appealing.

DR
 
steverino, if getting a hummer outside of marriage qualifies for the label "sex-addict" then I'd guess ~50% of the male population qualifies for the label. :boggled:
 
But more to the point, I'd like to ask a question of those more familiar with Rudy's mayoral performance which is usually cited as an example of his qualifications: What about his performance was outstanding?

The main example I've read is crime. But the fact is that crime dropped in all metropolitan areas during the Rudy years. In fact, that was one of the chapters in Freakonomics, IIRC. How much credit can Rudy be given for this effect.

The second is his strong stance on security. But the fire and police departments still could communicate 8 years after the first WTC attack and that communication problem was cited back then as needing correction. And his embrace of Bernard Kerick (sp?) remains problematic.

So what are his main accomplishments as mayor? How did NYC residents feel about Rudy on 9/10/2001?

I'm not in Rudy's corner but my questions are serious and not loaded. I really want to know.
 
steverino, if getting a hummer outside of marriage qualifies for the label "sex-addict" then I'd guess ~50% of the male population qualifies for the label. :boggled:

Reducing Bill's sexual exploits to getting a hummer outside marriage is like when my ex-fiancee's mother told my mother, "My daughter has no drinking problem. She just likes to have a glass of wine after dinner." She drank like he screwed.

Addiction involves repetative, risk-taking behaviors, according to what I picked up in Al-Anon.
 
(For a presidential race)
Here is how I envision it: Rudy on a ten meter high dive platform, an empty swimming pool below him, me cheering him on to jump.

As a mayor, he was effective, as a president, he'd make a good mayor of New York.

His known position on guns (granted, he was dealing with a complex urban environment) is a complete non starter for me. If he adjusted this, I may see him in a more favorable light.

His authoritarian approach tells me he will continue the absurdity that is "The War On Drugs," and the needless overcrowding of prisons, etc.

He's a New Yawker. That's a minus for me, on the national scene. Within the context of New York and the Tri State area, it's a plus.

Anyone recall John Lindsay? He turned down RFK's Senate seat to remain Mayor of New York. I see Rudy as being similarly enamored of New York as "the center of the universe."

His record as a DA/prosecutor is a plus.

I was around the greater New York Metro area when he and Donna Hanover's marriage broke up very publicly. I don't care how you slice it, it was ugly, though I am not sure if it was Rudy the attention whore, or Rudy under a microscope of the New York Media as mayor. Or both. It seems to me that classy people try to keep their private affairs private. It's a damned shame his marriage did not work out, but many marriages suffer under the strains of ambition and success writ large. Unlike what some people seem to be doing in the media wars, I don't hold his divorces against him (save his handling of them) since it's a common modern affliction.

I will guess he'd be for a strong defense, but I don't think he has a clue what that means.

I don't see him as very appealing.

DR

Those are my exact views as well :D !

This whole "strong on defense" seems to be an overplayed canard, though it seems to get the conservatives with him. But he isn't a general, though he would be Commander-in-Chief... But I still don't get it.

But he would be better than Hillary

(Do we win the million dollars?)
 

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