Rubio calls for IRS commissioner to resign.

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Marco Rubio Calls For Non-Existent IRS Commissioner To Resign

New Times said:
Rubio said:
"t is clear the IRS cannot operate with even a shred of the American people's confidence under the current leadership. I strongly urge that you and President Obama demand the IRS Commissioner's resignation, effectively [sic] immediately. No government agency that has behaved in such a manner can possibly instill any faith and respect from the American public."
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Douglas H. Shulman used to be the acting commissioner. He was appointed by the Bush administration in 2008. He already resigned this past November, showing us that Rubio is either unaware of what's going down in the IRS, or his demand for Shulman's resignation is so filled with outrage that it resonated into the past. Like a Flux Capacitor of anger.


Shulman's successor has yet to be appointed.
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Obviously the only solution is for Obama to appoint someone right now, and then immediately fire them to assuage Senator Rubio's anger.
 
Wait, can I suggest Clinton for the position?


Anyway, I understand the sentiment expressed by Rubio. People need to be held accountable.
 
ANTPogo said:
It'd be nice if the people he wants to be held accountable actually existed, though.
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There have been a continuous line of IRS commissioners and acting commissioners. They do exist, despite your objections.

ANTPogo said:
Obviously the only solution is for Obama to appoint someone right now, and then immediately fire them to assuage Senator Rubio's anger.
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RandFan said:
:D Outraged I tell ya.
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Don't you think your Obama over-defensiveness exemplified by your lashing out by farce against those who have made not the least suggestion that Obama has involved is a more than a little sad ? So far Obama and even the nitwits on MSNBC seem to be saying the right thing about rooting out this nasty activity. No one is blaming Obama - but you two are so defensive as to preemptively attack. Sheesh !


The facts appear to be that the IRS knew this occurred as of July 2011, and as late as March 2012, Commissioner Douglas Shulman (yes appointed by Bush) insisted it did not in hearings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYt7nEac0yM

I have no idea who was to blame, nor who knew what when - but this is potentially criminal, not merely an administrative/firing matter. At a minimum it's a violation by some low level employees and a failure of management. It seems reasonably likely to involve cover-ups and perjury that persisted until last week's slip-up.

I have no idea why you imagine that this could not have been initiated by Republicans - the hard right has no great love of TeaPartiers or similar grass roots splinter movements.
 
If the USA Today had in big bold letters that Obama should apologize personally, how is it that there's no suggesting that Obama has involved?
 
triforcharity said:
Well, surely there's some top official, right? Of course there is....http://www.irs.gov/uac/Acting-Commissioner-of-Internal-Revenue-Steven-T.-Miller
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But there is no IRS Commissioner left that can be held accountable for what happened under his leadership last year or the year before. I assume that's why Rubio is calling for the resignation. That acting commissioner is already gone.

On top of that, why?

The stuff about flagging 501 c (3) applications based on the words "tea" and "patriot"? Trying to spin that as a scandal is pretty silly.

Here is the entirety of that statute section (501 c (3)):

USC 501 c (3) said:
(3) Corporations, and any community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the provision of athletic facilities or equipment), or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation (except as otherwise provided in subsection (h)), and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.
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If the accusation is that these flags were politically motivated, isn't that an admission that the organizations turned up by using them are likely political organizations? It seems like political organizations applying for this status merit closer scrutiny to make sure they're not doing any of the things that would disqualify them for this status.

Once it became obvious that these flags do not result in applicants that fail to qualify, they should not continue using them. I've not seen any evidence that they did so.
 
stevea said:
There have been a continuous line of IRS commissioners and acting commissioners. They do exist, despite your objections.
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But the one that held the office during this perceived "scandal"* has already resigned. If there were even actually a scandal here, this would be analogous to holding Ford responsible for Watergate and demanding his resignation after Nixon had already resigned.


*In fact, I think the real scandal is how many overtly political organizations are forming "social welfare" non profits just to get that status for fund raising purposes.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
But the one that held the office during this perceived "scandal"* has already resigned. If there were even actually a scandal here, this would be analogous to holding Ford responsible for Watergate and demanding his resignation after Nixon had already resigned.
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Which makes Rubios letter silly. Thank you.
 
Puppycow said:
Well this thread has been debunked.
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Not really. I assume Rubio is demanding the resignation of the IRS commissioner in charge at the time nonprofit applicants with "tea" and "patriot" in the names were flagged for closer scrutiny. That commissioner has already resigned.

Or is this one of those biblical things where the perceived sins of a Bush appointee are visited onto the succeeding seven "generations" in that office?
 
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