Ed Roy Moore is still a jerk

[ponderingturtle]

Isn't what he's done illegal? It sounds like it should be.

I am not sure, doing what he advocates would be a in violation of federal court rulings, but that I think tends to be get fired and disbarred kind of offense not go to prison kind of offense.

 

[turingtest]

Isn't what he's done illegal? It sounds like it should be.

It's certainly not Constitutional, even by the Alabama State Constitution. There's nothing in there that I can find that justifies Moore, in his capacity as Chief Justice alone, in ordering lower court judges to do their jobs by his standard. The Alabama Supreme Court

...shall have appellate jurisdiction only, which shall be coextensive with the state, under such restrictions and regulations, not repugnant to this Constitution, as may from time to time be prescribed by law, except where jurisdiction over appeals is vested in some inferior court, and made final therein; provided, that the supreme court shall have power to issue writs of injunction, habeas corpus, quo warranto, and such other remedial and original writs as may be necessary to give it a general superintendence and control of inferior jurisdictions.

The whole court can, apparently, "issue writs of injunction, habeas corpus, quo warranto, and such other remedial and original writs as may be necessary to give it a general superintendence and control of inferior jurisdictions"; but no Chief Justice, by himself, has top-down executive authority to write a letter demanding that those inferior courts make beforehand a decision he's only entitled to reach after a case is submitted from the bottom up for appeal to his court. He's not the "boss" of the judicial system in Alabama; there's nothing in his state's Constitution which says he can order inferior courts to disobey a federal ruling. And, whether Moore likes it or not, Federal courts are, by definition, superior to his. He's just throwing an extra-judicial tantrum.

 

[Giordano]

Do Chief Justices of the Alabama Supreme court have to have law licenses? If so, it appears the best solution is to have him disbarred for advocating illegal actions, violating the law, for contempt of court, and for directly heaping scorn on the federal court system, all of which I believe violate the requirements for practicing law. Then have him impeached, this time forever.

I wonder if Moore didn't unintentionally help convince the US Supreme Court to not insure an extended stay in the Federal Appeals Court ruling; I suspect that open defiance ("you can't make me") would irritate even the more conservative members of the Supreme Court.

 

[Lowpro]

Do Chief Justices of the Alabama Supreme court have to have law licenses? If so, it appears the best solution is to have him disbarred for advocating illegal actions, violating the law, for contempt of court, and for directly heaping scorn on the federal court system, all of which I believe violate the requirements for practicing law. Then have him impeached, this time forever.

I wonder if Moore didn't unintentionally help convince the US Supreme Court to not insure an extended stay in the Federal Appeals Court ruling; I suspect that open defiance ("you can't make me") would irritate even the more conservative members of the Supreme Court.

Honestly I'd prefer him being disqualified on grounds that he's a corpse -.-

 

[Giordano]

Honestly I'd prefer him being disqualified on grounds that he's a corpse -.-

But does that violate the requirements for his position?

 

[Trebuchet]

Dear Roy: There was a war fought over this, 150 years ago. Your side lost. Get over it.

 

[KDLarsen]

From the "slightly ironic"-category:

Because it's evidently "okay" when Roy Moore puts a Supreme Court decision aside of his own volition and because of his religious belief, and when probate judges ignores judicial decisions due to "moral" or/aka religious objections.

 

[ehcks]

That sign is written so badly that at first I read "Alabama for Croatian Marriage" and had no idea what to think.

 

[turingtest]

From the "slightly ironic"-category:
[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/7QVppCh.jpg[/qimg]
Because it's evidently "okay" when Roy Moore puts a Supreme Court decision aside of his own volition and because of his religious belief, and when probate judges ignores judicial decisions due to "moral" or/aka religious objections.

The "Alabama For Cristian [sic] Marriage" sign is a little ironic too, considering that there's no actual requirement in Alabama law that a legal marriage be a Christian (or even a Cristian) one. Here are the requirements for a license in Mobile County (chosen not quite at random, since it's where my wife and I were married, crossing over the state line from south Mississippi), and...nope. Nothing there about religion.

 

[maxpower1227]

Maybe Moore is acting like such a prick because he is actually a closeted homosexual?

 

[Tony Stark]

From the "slightly ironic"-category:
[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/7QVppCh.jpg[/qimg]
Because it's evidently "okay" when Roy Moore puts a Supreme Court decision aside of his own volition and because of his religious belief, and when probate judges ignores judicial decisions due to "moral" or/aka religious objections.

To be clear, it wasn't a US Supreme Court decision that he is trying to defy. But rather the decision a Federal District judge (who was in fact a W appointee). Doesn't really matter though, if federal courts say that state law/constitution is in conflict with the US Constitution, that's that unless a higher federal court overturns the decision (they in fact declined to even hear to the case).

The type of people that cry federal tyranny over this issue are the exact same type of people who cried federal tyranny over desegregation. The National Guard won't have to be called to force Alabama to comply this time, but still.

 

[thaiboxerken]

He's just a typical conservative

 

[Tony Stark]

He's just a typical conservative

Yep, claim to love the Constitution except for when they don't. The fact of the matter is that many of them hold their Holy Book to be the highest law of the land, not the US Constitution. At least their interpretation of it. That part about Jesus being a commie? Just ignore that.

 

[Lowpro]

He's just a typical conservative

If it were that simple. Moore does not believe in the law as anything other than reification of God's law. Anything to the contrary is illegitimate. Conservatives participate in law, Moore does not. And he is an Alabama Supreme Court Justice...

 

[Tony Stark]

If it were that simple. Moore does not believe in the law as anything other than reification of God's law. Anything to the contrary is illegitimate. Conservatives participate in law, Moore does not. And he is an Alabama Supreme Court Justice...

But he got kicked of the court for this exact same type of thing (favoring his religion over the US Constitution). And people in Alabama chose to elect him again. And I would bet my life that most of the people that elected him would call themselves conservatives.

 

[ehcks]

But he got kicked of the court for this exact same type of thing (favoring his religion over the US Constitution). And people in Alabama chose to elect him again.

A main reason why judges should not be elected.

 

[dudalb]

So a conservative state supreme court justice who, I'm sure, claims to love the US Constitution, simultaneously feels that state law supersedes it when the Constitution disagrees with his bigoted beliefs? Interesting.

Nullification lives!

 

[dudalb]

A main reason why judges should not be elected.

THIS!
Hell, I am against traffic court judges being elected. Appointments is not a perfect system, but it's better then a judge pandering to the voters.

 

[dudalb]

The "Alabama For Cristian [sic] Marriage" sign is a little ironic too, considering that there's no actual requirement in Alabama law that a legal marriage be a Christian (or even a Cristian) one. Here are the requirements for a license in Mobile County (chosen not quite at random, since it's where my wife and I were married, crossing over the state line from south Mississippi), and...nope. Nothing there about religion.

So marraignes performed by a Rabbi or an Imam or a Buddhist Priest would be illegal in Alabama?

 

[Giordano]

That sign is written so badly that at first I read "Alabama for Croatian Marriage" and had no idea what to think.

Does Moore have a "mail-order bride?" I probably would be okay with Cristian marriage if I could figure out what it was.

One of the reasons SSM has become more and more acceptable is that many people have thought about it, and realized what it really is and isn't. Clearly the folks carrying the signs haven't gotten around to thinking about it. Yet.