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Roswell That Ends Well

Actually, the "crash" occured at Corona, New Mexico, 75 miles north of Roswell. It is only referred to as the Roswell Incident because the nearest military base is the Roswell Army Air Field.
 
Kenny 10 Bellys said:
The only bit of the story that lends any credence to any of this stuff is the fact that the US Airforce actually released a press release saying they'd captured an alien spacecraft. That's a bit out of the ordinary, I think you'd agree. Never mind any of the stuff the ranchers and kids are coming out with, the US armed forces called it a captured saucer. Hmmmmmm....
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Actually, Roswell Air base issued a press release that they had captured a flying disc. They never stated alien spacecraft and the USAF did not issue any such release. It was a release issued by one air base by the authority of the Commanding officer (or his PAO it is hard to say who authorized the release but the CO has to accept responsibility). Exactly what a flying disc was supposed to look like in July 1947 is open to interpretation. NOBODY knew what they were and the last thing anybody was considering was alien spaceships.
On the day the press release was issued, the following article appeared in the Roswell morning paper. Did the base CO see this article prior to looking at the debris? The descriptions appear to look exactly like the debris in this picture:
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Perhaps, it was this article that made the Colonel think they had actually found a flying disc!
 
Hans- re bodies surviving a crash. I think you are wrong there. When the PanAm 747 exploded over Lockerbie, one of the first policemen at the scene was a friend of mine. He described many of the passengers' bodies as being quite intact. (Clearly he had no data on internal damage.) This was after an explosion which tore apart a large airliner, explosive decompression , a 6 mile fall and impact.

Given that an alien body might be significantly tougher than a human one, we really can't say in what shape they would be after a crash. Especially if they had seat belts. ;)
 
Locherbie, exactly. They did not go down with the plane, they fell free of it. They were blown out of the pressurized cabin when the plane broke up. Decompression is not explosive (there is a recent thread on breathing vaccum). A human falling reaches terminal velocity after appr. 100 meters (about 250kph), the rest of the way down just takes time, it doesn't add to the destruction.

I'm not talking about putative aliens, I'm talking about the ones allegedly found at Roswell, you know the ones they later cut open in front of a camara with normal knives. Distinctly no tougher than humans.

I am taking about the internal logic of the Rosswell myth, not any old putative UFO crash.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
I am taking about the internal logic of the Rosswell myth, not any old putative UFO crash.
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Is there any part in the Roswell myth that prevents the aliens from being thrown out of the UFO before the actual crash?
 
LW said:
Is there any part in the Roswell myth that prevents the aliens from being thrown out of the UFO before the actual crash?
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No, I suppose not ;). Have you seen the body of someone who has fallen from great hight? Have you seen the pictures of the alleged Roswell bodies, for instance the autopsy film? Do you think they fit?

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
No, I suppose not ;). Have you seen the body of someone who has fallen from great hight? Have you seen the pictures of the alleged Roswell bodies, for instance the autopsy film? Do you think they fit?
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When you say that "These parts of the myth are contradictory" you are supposing that there is one single version of the story that is accepted by those who claim that aliens crashed at Roswell.

This is not the case. There are n different versions of the story where n is confusingly large. There are people who admit that the autopsy video was faked but still claim that the story is essentially true.

And as I wrote before, there have been real-world survivors from crashes where the planes were completely destroyed. Let me repeat: not just intact bodies, but survivors. People who continued living with all their limbs still attached. Some alien bodies staying reasonably intact in a crash does not get even close to "internal inconsistency".
 
Mmm, to be precise, there has been one, right? The Polish stewardess who rode the tail section down when her plane disintegrated in the air due to a collision?

But have it your way; we had an ultra-light spaceship that only created a lorry-load of trash, and the crew jumped out just before impact. See? It all makes sense after all ;).

And, of course, the highly advanced civilization that lost the craft did not send out any rescue parties. They just left the wreckage and victims for the natives to mess with. We would have done the same :rolleyes:.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Mmm, to be precise, there has been one, right? The Polish stewardess who rode the tail section down when her plane disintegrated in the air due to a collision?
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No. More. Much more. A couple examples from WWII, mostly from Bomber Command (because Mel Rolfe's Looking Into Hell was conveniently at the hand):

  • The Lancasters ED490 and R5894 collided at 250 meters on 1 March 1943 when returning from Berlin. There were four survivors (Jim Verran, Frank Johnson, John Mountray, and Kenneth Chack), none had parachutes.
  • The Lancaster PB745 crashed soon after takeoff and exploded on 27 November 1944. The rear gunner Ricky Dyson survived because the rear turret was thrown away from the rest of the plane before the bombs started exploding.
  • John Carnock was inside a Pathfinder Lancaster whose marker load exploded over Frankfurt on 22 March 1944. He lost his consciouness when the explosion threw him out of the plane and he recovered just in time to open his parachute. Bits of the Lancaster fell all over several square kilometers of the city.
  • On 13 February, 1943 Helmut Lipfert flew his Bf-109 through a house at Krasnoarmeiskaja. He escaped with bruises. [He was probably the luckiest guy of Luftwaffe, he crashed or was shot down 15 times during the war and he walked away from the crash site every time.]

Now, if complete destruction and intact bodies really were mutually exclusive, all those persons mentioned above should have been strewn all over landscape in small pieces. They weren't. They survived the crashes. (Though, several of the British were killled on later missions).

Now, I hope that I you realize that I am not arguing that aliens crashed at Roswell. In fact, I think that whole idea completely ludicrous. I only want to point out that your specific claim for the contradiction doesn't hold water.
 
No, you are right, it is possible that in a very special case, it might have happened. It is still a very fishy aspect of the story.

Hans
 
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