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Roswell Slides

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UFO believers have really scored an own goal here!

Roswell Slides unveiled: UFO fans left heartbroken by Area 51 'alien' photo unveiling which was 'an epic fail'

Two photographs of a "dead alien" were unveiled at a big money event last night - and immediately dismissed as fake.

A series of 'UFOlogists' appeared at the Be Witness meeting last night to reveal images of an extraterrestrial who supposedly crashed to Earth during the infamous Roswell incident in 1947.

The images were found by former journalist Adam Dew, who has taken steps to verify the pair of alien snaps and said Kodak experts had dated the film to 1947 (Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/roswell-slides-unveiled-ufo-fans-5643962)
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Turns out it was a 3000 year old mummy from the Mesa Verde civilization.:eek::o:D
See: http://www.theufochronicles.com/2015/05/roswell-slides-update-mummy-of-mesa.html
 
I don't get the rationale behind this type of event, Doesn't it just further dilute any credibility for if there were any real evidence. (albeit unlikely)
Wasn't there a similar case with Bigfoot apparently stored in a freezer a few years back with the whole media circus called in?
 
The whole Roswell alien thing is a modern invention. The original Roswell report was of debris from a crash but no bodies. Decades later, for some reason, people think bodies were reported.
 
Loss Leader said:
The whole Roswell alien thing is a modern invention. The original Roswell report was of debris from a crash but no bodies. Decades later, for some reason, people think bodies were reported.
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Jesse Marcel, Jr., flogged the story to Stanton Friedman. When people saw him making money off it they jumped on the bandwagon.
 
Oldyear said:
I don't get the rationale behind this type of event, Doesn't it just further dilute any credibility for if there were any real evidence. (albeit unlikely)
Wasn't there a similar case with Bigfoot apparently stored in a freezer a few years back with the whole media circus called in?
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Yeah, I was still occasionally listening to George Noory back then. He banned Tom Biscardi (I think that's his name) from ever coming back on the show to talk about Bigfoot for being involved in that scam. Around the same time he banned Sylvia if I'm not mistaken. But he keeps having Richard Hoagland on....:rolleyes:
 
DuvalHMFIC said:
He banned Tom Biscardi (I think that's his name) from ever coming back on the show to talk about Bigfoot for being involved in that scam.
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Rick Dyer was his name, but Biscardi was his promoter. To me it makes no sense. It's not even really a lie as such. I always think a lie is something told with the serious intent to deceive. They must have known that this was impossible. The first question anybody was always going to ask them is "Well, can we examine the body please?":rolleyes:
 
Loss Leader said:
The whole Roswell alien thing is a modern invention. The original Roswell report was of debris from a crash but no bodies. Decades later, for some reason, people think bodies were reported.
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The usual claim is that the modern story is actually the original one and the "original" story is what the witnesses later changed to after the authorities got to them.

For example, when I've pointed out that the originally reported debris was sticks and foil, not a wrecked vehicle, believers have claimed that the first report was a vehicle, which was quickly covered up and replaced with reports of sticks and foil, with witnesses pressured to change their story.
 
Loss Leader said:
The whole Roswell alien thing is a modern invention. The original Roswell report was of debris from a crash but no bodies. Decades later, for some reason, people think bodies were reported.
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It's not exactly an invention. It's more of a combination of stories. Project Mogul used a large balloon made of aluminized plastic film. From a distance this looked very much like scattered metal. If you examined a piece up close it was strange because it was springy rather than bending and holding its shape like aluminum foil. Because the military wanted to keep the high altitude project secret they claimed that it was a latex weather balloon. People who saw it knew that this wasn't the case.

The bodies that people saw were around this same time period but not at the Project Mogul site. These were dummies used in ejection seat tests. When they were recovered they were typically carried on stretchers. However, the color of the face and incomplete facial detail suggested skin that had been burned or was somehow not human. Dummies used prior to this were like large, burlap dolls and would not have been mistaken for human. This does fit with accounts of military personnel recovering bodies that didn't look human.

Around this time you also had the U-2 test flights. This was highly secretive, so much so that most people in the Air Force were unaware of it. Then you also had continued nuclear bomb testing, the establishment of Lawrence Livermore in 1952, and you had the ongoing missile tests. So, there was a lot that the military was not talking about.
 
barehl said:
The bodies that people saw were around this same time period but not at the Project Mogul site. These were dummies used in ejection seat tests. When they were recovered they were typically carried on stretchers. However, the color of the face and incomplete facial detail suggested skin that had been burned or was somehow not human. Dummies used prior to this were like large, burlap dolls and would not have been mistaken for human. This does fit with accounts of military personnel recovering bodies that didn't look human.
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I've seen suggestions that it was a conflation of the Mogul balloon and the disfigured test pilot who jumped from around 80,000 feet (the previous record holder for a parachute jump before the Red Bull stunt?) His head was wrapped in bandages and his eyes were bloodshot and bulging when Dennis ran into him. The jump was classified, so the pilot ordered Dennis to keep quiet about. (All from memory.)
 
Omni magazine in one of its last issues chased down many of the Roswell alien claims and proved them to be wrong.
The autopsy video is a scream BTW
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
I've seen suggestions that it was a conflation of the Mogul balloon and the disfigured test pilot who jumped from around 80,000 feet
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Joseph Kittinger in project Excelsior. You are talking about the first jump from 76,000 ft in 1959 where he went into a flat spin and experienced 22 gees at his head and feet and lost consciousness. Yes, his face probably was swollen and eyes bloodshot.
 
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Gawdzilla Sama said:
I think they used ordinary weather balloon, reddish rubber
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The only surviving drawings of Mogul show a train of ordinary latex weather balloons. However, these were not suitable for that altitude and were quickly replaced. We don't have drawings or plans of the later versions.

Wikipedia: The early Mogul balloons consisted of large clusters of rubber meteorological balloons, however, these were quickly replaced by enormous balloons made of polyethylene plastic.

This is correct except the polyethylene was aluminized. Like this balloon.
 
barehl said:
The only surviving drawings of Mogul show a train of ordinary latex weather balloons. However, these were not suitable for that altitude and were quickly replaced. We don't have drawings or plans of the later versions.

Wikipedia: The early Mogul balloons consisted of large clusters of rubber meteorological balloons, however, these were quickly replaced by enormous balloons made of polyethylene plastic.

This is correct except the polyethylene was aluminized. Like this balloon.
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Thanks, it's been a while since I read Peebles.
 
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