Ronald Reagan dies

Jocko:
"A great man dies and all you can do is bitch...yada yada yada..."

A "great" man indeed? Ah, but then you are the one mouthing off in another thread about "freedom". Reagan will be in his grave, and Orwell will be turning in his.

On a more serious note I guess it only means he is dead in a technical sense.
I hope the obits tomorrow remind us of those charming chimp moments from his films- his greatest contribution to 20th C history. It's hard to get upset when many of us remember the Thatcher/Reagan years too clearly.
 
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shemp said:


I'm sure you prefer to save it to drink. Post your address, and I'll send you some of mine.
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Truly the class act I've come to expect from you. Do you think conservatives will react like you have when Carter dies? I won't. I don't know anyone who be be half the prick you have shown yourself to be.

I'll say it again, because I know it kills you to hear it: Reagan will be remembered - you are already forgotten.
 
demon said:
Jocko:
"A great man dies and all you can do is bitch...yada yada yada..."

A "great" man indeed? Ah, but then you are the one mouthing off in another thread about "freedom". Reagan will be in his grave, and Orwell will be turning in his.

On a more serious note I guess it only means he is dead in a technical sense.
I hope the obits tomorrow remind us of those charming chimp moments from his films- his greatest contribution to 20th C history. It's hard to get upset when many of us remember the Thatcher/Reagan years too clearly.
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F*ck you too, Demon, you half-witted mongoloid. I'm stil lwaiting for your answer on that other thread. It's just like a weak mind to reach back 50 years to find a picture with a monkey in it. Since you strike as too young to remember the man, I suppose it's too be expected.
 
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shemp said:


I'm sure you prefer to save it to drink. Post your address, and I'll send you some of mine.
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Seriously, is that the best you have to offer? Little quips about urine? Everytime I see one of your inane posts I am reminded of a Neal Stephenson quote.

"Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be -- or to be indistinguishable from -- self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time."

Frankly, I think the 16 year old thing is giving you some credit you have not yet earned.

As for Reagan's passing, I will miss the old man. I wish he didn't have to have contended with a nasty ailment in his last few days and I was and am still proud to have spent some of my time in the Marines serving under the man.
 
Tricky said:

I believe that having the news (not just TV) saturated with maudlin sentiment for such a man is hypocrisy. I would hope that when I die, people do not hide their feelings for me, but say what they felt while I was alive. Your implication that I should go all mealymouthed in this situation indicates to me that you are not above such petty nonsense.
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It still comes down to your bitching about what's going to be on the news. And I still say it's petty, small and arrogant.


Teddy's a politician too. He has to be politically correct.
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He said it in '88, moron.

Tell me, though, what is the appropriate length of time before one can drop the pretense and say what one feels?
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See how long you can go. You might surprise yourself. Especially when it's so universally friggin' moot.
 
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Jocko said:


Truly the class act I've come to expect from you. Do you think conservatives will react like you have when Carter dies? I won't. I don't know anyone who be be half the prick you have shown yourself to be.

I'll say it again, because I know it kills you to hear it: Reagan will be remembered - you are already forgotten.
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I doubt they will. I wasn't fond of his years as president, but Carter is doing better work now than he did then, and I could never be an ass like three of the idiots here about a man who did some good in the world.
 
I'm sorry that people still hate him. It's easy to point out Ronald Reagan's failings, especially since he'd have been the first to point them out himself. He wasn't a perfect president, and there are some who would question if he was even a good one.

But, may I offer this? He tried to be a substantive one. That's a hell of a lot more than we've got right now.

No one deserves to go like this. In his White House and post-White House years, Ronald Reagan tried to serve, and he did some good during that time. You take the good with the bad, I suppose. You can't ask anyone to do more than that.
 
Roadtoad said:
I'm sorry that people still hate him. It's easy to point out Ronald Reagan's failings, especially since he'd have been the first to point them out himself. He wasn't a perfect president, and there are some who would question if he was even a good one.

But, may I offer this? He tried to be a substantive one. That's a hell of a lot more than we've got right now.

No one deserves to go like this. In his White House and post-White House years, Ronald Reagan tried to serve, and he did some good during that time. You take the good with the bad, I suppose. You can't ask anyone to do more than that.
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Tricky, take note: this is how you criticise the recently deceased.

Thank you, RT, for restoring some of my faith in the so-called literati of this forum.
 
I'm absolutely no fan of Reagan - he virtually put us on the brink of an all-out nuclear war. But I still cannot feel anything else but sadness of a human being, reduced to a soggy noodle for the remainder of his life.

For years, he has not even been able to recognize his wife or kids. And he has known that his mind would be deteriorating. It could only go downhill from then on.

This is a good moment to wish and work for that science will solve the riddle - and curse - of Alzheimer's.

It ain't no way to go, no matter who you are, and what you have done.
 
Who hates you when you die is a measure of success.

Basically, yes, everything he ever did wrong will probably be paraded before the media.

And some of the things he did right.

Is it Reagan's fault that the administration that followed him did not seek to help out Afghanistan after we used them to economically cripple the Soviet Union, and bring about the fall of communism? Or the consequences that followed that?

Bush Sr. seems like a better candidate to take the hit for that. Probably Bush Sr. was in charge of a lot of underhanded things that happened throughout the Reagan presidency, being the Ex-CIA chief and all.

Certainly it's a fine opportunity for the Republicans to stir up a lot of old 'Anti-Reagan' junk and blame it on the 'liberals'. Defocus the American public on just what kind of special retards we have in power right now.
 
evildave said:


Certainly it's a fine opportunity for the Republicans to stir up a lot of old 'Anti-Reagan' junk and blame it on the 'liberals'. Defocus the American public on just what kind of special retards we have in power right now.
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Well, if this thread is any indication, the "liberals" are doing just fine on their own.
 
Jocko said:
It still comes down to your bitching about what's going to be on the news. And I still say it's petty, small and arrogant.
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That's a small part of it. I feel like news should be news, not eulogies. Since few else will say it, I will euologize him in my own small, petty way on these boards. And I won't sugarcoat my words. Nor will I dip to flinging obscenities at those who disagree with me.

Jocko said:
He said it in '88...
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No politician ever speaks badly of his opponant once the opponant is out of play.

Jocko said:
...moron.
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I think it is obvious who is lowering the tone of this discussion.

Jocko said:
See how long you can go. You might surprise yourself. Especially when it's so universally friggin' moot.
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If it is moot, then why are you complaining?

I could just as well complain about you using the picture and words of one of the greatest liberals the world has ever seen as if to suggest he would agree with your stances. Oh yeah, he's been dead for almost a hundred years, so it's okay. And it is okay. The length of time should make no difference.
 
Jocko said:


Well, if this thread is any indication, the "liberals" are doing just fine on their own.
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I'm fiscally conservative, and nearly every U.S. government for all my life has been fiscally liberal. Our national debt seldom stopped rising at all.

Reagan, Bush and Little Bush have have all been extremely liberal spenders.

We're up to $7 trillion today. Going to war isn't making things any 'better'.

http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Clinton actually has been the only one with a budget surplus. You know what that makes him in my book?

Conservative.

Funny thing, how words work.
 
As it happens, I live in a building where there are many immigrants from the former Soviet block (mostly Albanians, for some reason, and Croatians.) On Saturday they tend to sit outside and talk.

I just came home a few minutes ago and they were sitting there, eulogizing Reagen and saying what a great man he was for defeating communism. Every single one of them agreed that he was the greatest president ever--perhaps an exagerration from the American point of view, but surely understandable from theirs.

Intrigued, I asked one of them if he knew that Reagen was hated by the left in the USA. "Yeah, but them socialists, they crazy", was his (verbatim) reply.

There are of course quite a few parallels between Reagen and GWB.

1). In both cases, we have a president who freed millions abroad from tyranny and enriched millions at home with an economic turnaround based on tax cutting (the US economy grew for the 31st straight month, and virtually all economic indicators are constantly improving).

2). In both cases, the president gets nothing from the left but rants about how he is an "imperialist" and makes the US the "world's bully" (Translation: tyrants are actually afraid of him), on the one hand, and how the economic recovery is mysteriously "hurting the poor" (Translation: less tax money for bloated "social services" beurocracies.)

3). In both cases, what really gets the "chattering classes"'s goat is that the president not only refuses to admits how wrong he is and how right they are, but does not deign to notice, let alone reply, to their criticism at all.

4). So, in both cases, the "chattering classes" concluded that the only explanation for him ignoring them is that he is mentally defective, which saves their egos.
 
When President Reagan was shot a friend of mine said, "I hope he dies". I promptly hit him in the back of the head. He looked at me quizzically and asked," what the hell you do that for, you feel the same way about him as I do?". I told him Don't confuse the man with the office, our President has been shot.

Ronald Reagan has impacted the world as few ever have, so regardless of personal feelings for the man, I have a sense of history and passing.
 
Yes, you should never disrespect the dead. When Osama Bin Laden is killed, I expect all of you to only say good things about him.

Although Reagan's flaws are obviously ridiculously mild compared to Bin Laden's.
 
Originally posted by Tricky
I believe that having the news (not just TV) saturated with maudlin sentiment for such a man is hypocrisy.
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It's not hypocrisy at all. The man was President of the United States of America, and deserves our respect for that even if we don't agree with his politics. When a person dies, the tradition is to honor him for his accomplishments, not to take the occasion to revile him.

I personally was not a supporter of Reagan, but I believe he did what he thought was right. In my opinion, that is reason enough to honor him on this day.



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