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"Ron Paul racist rant caught on tape!" (note, in quotes)

After researching further, I accept that he voted for the amendments to the bill and not the actual bill. This is actually consistent with the philosophy he holds regarding the Federal Government, that since the constitution does not expressly give the Federal Government the right to establish national holidays, that power is reserved to the state and the people. It is also similar to his stance on earmarks, where he doesn't agree with Congress spending as much as it does, but if they are going to pass the bill anyways, he's going to get as much as he can back for his constituents, and not leave it up to the executive branch to spend the money as it pleases. So he requests the earmarks so he can represent his district adequately, then votes no on the spending measure because he disagrees that Congress should be spending the money in the first place. The principle here is that he would vote yes to a change in day to make the holiday less disruptive - a Monday holiday is usually more beneficial than a mid-week holiday - but vote no on establishing the holiday since that is not one of the powers given to congress by the constitution. A quirky stance, true, but still principled. And I acknowledge that that weakens the argument I made in favor of Ron Paul not writing the newsletter passages.

OK. But even if we accept that these comments were ghost written for him, don't you think his response has been horribly inconsistent and inadequate? Back in '96, he didn't deny writing them, but tried to argue that they weren't racist because they were taken out of context. Later he denied that he wrote them but that he was morally responsible for them. Later he denied even that--he even denied knowing about them, and is unable or unwilling to say how it came to be that he was unaware of words written in his name and persona by some ghost writer.

He explained, and I'll accept, although you are free not to, that he was advised not to deny the statements when they first surfaced because it would cause confusion for his campaign at the time.

I've listened to hours of him speaking and read several of his books that he does not deny writing, and I can adamantly say that the statements are extremely uncharacteristic, and do not have the same rambling nature that what he does write and say has. He goes all over the place when he speaks and writes, and doesn't always finish a thought - characteristics of someone whose mind is always one step ahead of his mouth. The articles and statements of offense read nothing like that, and use tons of wordplay and other literary tricks that Ron has never used in speaking or in writing what he has acknowledged writing. Being a medical doctor and not a literature major, it is unlikely he has taken creative writing classes and the rough unpolished nature of his books is evidence of that.

He seems mildly racist and overtly homophobic in that book. I find those positions consistent with his writing more blatantly racist comments in a newsletter with a smaller audience of like-minded people. As I mentioned, that book makes me less willing to accept his claim that he didn't write the comments himself.

See above. It is clear from your take that the AIDs example is homophobic that you do not understand the line of reasoning that leads to the statements. He also, as I mentioned, expressed why establishing special rights for groups is problematic. Treating any group of people different than any other, or specifically granting "rights" to that group is a collectivist idea - it puts the group ahead of the individual, and the libertarian principles are that the liberty of the individual is inviolate. Rights cannot be given, because giving rights presupposes that they are not already yours. Your right to life, liberty, and justly acquired property are rights that exist even if no government exists. The role of government therefore is to protect those rights against the aggression of others, including the aggression of the government itself. The individual has rights, and excessive government restricts those rights, often in the name of protecting what government should not be in the business of protecting.

I don't think those comments were meant to be an example of some general principle or any sort of "comparison". I think he was expressing the view that he thinks it's wrong to spend public money to help AIDS victims. (He couched it in terms of a strawman argument: arguing against the position that AIDS victims have a right to publicly-funded assistance, as if anything we do for the general welfare must be expressed as a "right" or else it's a bad idea.)

"In a free society, the individual cannot be forced into serving the state, and the property he owns cannot be confiscated for any reason, even that of a humanitarian nature. The needs of one person cannot be used to justify the victimization of another by robbing him of the fruits of his labor."

"Victims of the disease AIDS argue, with no qualms of inconsistency about rights, for crash research programs (to be paid for by people who don't have AIDS), demanding a cure. And it's done in the name of rights. Victims demand health care as well and scream "discrimination" if insurance companies claim they have a right to refuse to issue a policy to someone already infected with the AIDS virus. The rights of the insurance company owners are not considered, while legislation is passed forcing insurance companies to provide the insurance demanded by the victims. The individual suffering from AIDS certainly a is victim -- frequently a victim of his own lifestyle -- but this same individual victimizes innocent citizens by forcing them to pay for his care. Crash research programs are hardly something, I believe, the Found Fathers intended when they talked about equal rights.

The Supreme Court, in 1987, ruled that persons with contagious
diseases are "handicapped" and are entitled to protection under affirmative
action rules. If a person is fired because he has AIDS, typhoid fever or
hepatitis, he can now pursue his case in court.

Recently an alcoholic who developed cirrhosis of the liver demanded
a liver transplant, in the name of "equal rights." The state welfare program
assumed the obligation to provide care for the man, but insisted he quit his
alcoholic ways. The man refused, and the state held up on his liver transplant.
For this reason he sued the state, demanding his rights.

With confusion regarding rights, the end of constitutionally protected
liberty cannot be far off."

There's a lot more. The whole chapter on Individual rights, while it rambles a bit, taken as a whole in context shows that all mentions of AIDS and minorities are examples of the fallacies of grouping people rather than treating them as individuals with individual rights.

Those of you who haven't read this book can read it free online, complete with typos, and errors in editing, and Ron's signature rambling way of talking, here: http://www.ronpaul.com/ron-paul-books/RonPaul-FreedomUnderSiege.pdf
 
He explained, and I'll accept, although you are free not to, that he was advised not to deny the statements when they first surfaced because it would cause confusion for his campaign at the time.
............I have no clue what that even means. It would cause confusion for Paul to state "No, I never wrote those nasty things?" If so, why did he change his mind?

I've listened to hours of him speaking and read several of his books that he does not deny writing, and I can adamantly say that the statements are extremely uncharacteristic, and do not have the same rambling nature that what he does write and say has. He goes all over the place when he speaks and writes, and doesn't always finish a thought - characteristics of someone whose mind is always one step ahead of his mouth. The articles and statements of offense read nothing like that, and use tons of wordplay and other literary tricks that Ron has never used in speaking or in writing what he has acknowledged writing. Being a medical doctor and not a literature major, it is unlikely he has taken creative writing classes and the rough unpolished nature of his books is evidence of that.
Perhaps they were ghostwritten, though it should be noted that Paul's never explained whom this mysterious ghostwriter is - and he continues to associate himself with the man whom I've seen as fingered as the possible ghostwriter, Lew Rockwell.

So what? They are still under his name, and it wasn't just one incident - there's at least 50. And as observed, he never denied them from the beginning even when the media talked to him about it in 1996. This doesn't remove the dichotomy of racist vs. moron that Paul has to deal with in these newsletters.

"In a free society, the individual cannot be forced into serving the state, and the property he owns cannot be confiscated for any reason, even that of a humanitarian nature. The needs of one person cannot be used to justify the victimization of another by robbing him of the fruits of his labor."
My bolding, and is this serious? This isn't libertarianism. This is flat freaking anarchism.

And as one can observe.... what about AIDS victims whom aren't actually victims of their lifestyles, as Paul puts it? Someone who was contaminated through a blood transfusion, and while I'm terrible at biology, I believe some infants can just get the disease from their mothers or something. I guess they're just screwed?
 
We've been over this many times in this thread already.

When you hire someone to ghost-write a speech or book for you, and you deliver that speech or publish that book under your name, those words can then be considered yours. Numerous quotes attributed to public figures in books published under their name were ghost-written for them. We still attribute those quotes to them.

If one checks a Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell book out of the library, finds an interesting passage in it, and quotes it, the standard practice is to treat that as a quote from Robertson or Falwell -- even though their books were ghost-written. The books were published under their names. Even in cases where we know who the ghost-writers were, we still quote the material as being by Robertson and Falwell. They may not have written the passages themselves, but when they published the words under their names they said them.

Same standard applies to Ron Paul. He may not have written those newsletter items himself. But when those items were published in his newsletter, he said them.

So your logic is: He didn't write them, but he wrote them. I think most people have the intelligence to understand that he didn't approve of those words, even if you don't.
 
So your logic is: He didn't write them, but he wrote them. I think most people have the intelligence to understand that he didn't approve of those words, even if you don't.

He approved of these words enough to publish them under his name.
 
He was the ONLY congressman to vote against awarding Rosa Parks a gold medal.

Likewise with votes to award medals to Mother Teresa and one of the Popes and possibly some other people. He was right to vote no. Why should the government be handing out costly medals? He did offer to contribute $100 of his own money towards the Rosa Parks medal, because he greatly admires Rosa Parks, but no other Congressman would do so. They prefer to spend other people's money. Hmm, maybe that's why we have trillions of $ of debt, dya think?
 
He approved of these words enough to publish them under his name.

I feel like I am talking to rocks. Siri on my iPhone is far more intelligent than some of you people. Haven't you even bothered to read his statements on this matter? He didn't read them and wasn't even aware of them until long after they were published. These offensive statements were a small number of passages in a small number of newsletters, out of hundreds of newsletters published over 20 years.

Obviously the newsletters are not the issue here. You guys can't stand the fact that a man of peace is gaining traction in the presidential race for a change, as opposed to the usual warmongers who like to kill Asians and Arabs while bankrupting our country in the process.
 
He didn't read them and wasn't even aware of them until long after they were published.
You are taking the naked, self-serving word of a politician despite that it's contradicted by the written record, and contradicted by a long-time former employee. That's the very antithesis of critical thinking.
 
Lots of black people hate white people. I imagine lots of black people would think of MLK day as hate whitey day. Ron Paul is just telling the truth. His comment is not really racist. You are too quick on the draw to label someone as a racist. I think you are overcompensating for your own faults perhaps.

Hey guys, it's not his comment, it's the ghostwriter's comment! BTW, if he did vote against MLK day, what does it have to do with racism? My first thought would be, don't our overpaid federal employees get enough paid holidays? I'm sure that's what Ron Paul was thinking, too.
 
I feel like I am talking to rocks. Siri on my iPhone is far more intelligent than some of you people. Haven't you even bothered to read his statements on this matter? He didn't read them and wasn't even aware of them until long after they were published.

Bull Feces
 
............I have no clue what that even means. It would cause confusion for Paul to state "No, I never wrote those nasty things?" If so, why did he change his mind?


Perhaps they were ghostwritten, though it should be noted that Paul's never explained whom this mysterious ghostwriter is - and he continues to associate himself with the man whom I've seen as fingered as the possible ghostwriter, Lew Rockwell.

So what? They are still under his name, and it wasn't just one incident - there's at least 50. And as observed, he never denied them from the beginning even when the media talked to him about it in 1996. This doesn't remove the dichotomy of racist vs. moron that Paul has to deal with in these newsletters.


My bolding, and is this serious? This isn't libertarianism. This is flat freaking anarchism.

And as one can observe.... what about AIDS victims whom aren't actually victims of their lifestyles, as Paul puts it? Someone who was contaminated through a blood transfusion, and while I'm terrible at biology, I believe some infants can just get the disease from their mothers or something. I guess they're just screwed?

On your first point, read his interview in the Texas Monthly in about 2001.

Paul doesn't know who the ghostwriter was. Apparently there were about 8 or 9 people writing for him at various times.

No, there weren't at least 50 incidents. If there were 50 passages as blatant as the few that we have seen, believe me, the media would be putting them out there.

It's anarchism to say that a person's property should not be confiscated for any reason? Why?

On your last point, the people are screwed if you believe that Americans are so cold-hearted that they would just let people die without treatment. Funny, I don't remember reading in my history books that people were dying in the streets back before Medicare. Whether someone's disease is related to their lifestyle or not is irrelevant. People should not be forced to pay for someone else's healthcare.
 
Obviously the newsletters are not the issue here.

True, the issue is his total failure to properly manage and oversee the publication of the newsletters.

It does not say much for his ability to be POTUS if he could not manage a couple of two bit newsletters.
 
Hey guys, it's not his comment, it's the ghostwriter's comment! BTW, if he did vote against MLK day, what does it have to do with racism? My first thought would be, don't our overpaid federal employees get enough paid holidays? I'm sure that's what Ron Paul was thinking, too.
Ya sure, clearly it was monetary concerns that prompted...
Ron Paul said:
Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day
Do you evaluate the veracity of other politicians sans critical thought? Are you "sure" they are truthful, even though the documented evidence sharply contradicts? Or is Ron Paul special?

Hook, line and sinker.
 

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