Ron Paul and the Strawman

[cesarz]

^the same for me.

You can make choice before having sex - if you are stupid and you didnt use any contraception then act like an adult and take the consequence.

 

[SezMe]

It probably has something to do with the lack of delegation to Congress the power to regulate such things by the Constitution.

Do I correctly surmise that you oppose DOMA?

 

[SezMe]

Abortion can't possibly be considered a personal choice in such a black and white manner.

Your error lies in think it is black and white. There is a substantial - I'd even say monumental - difference between a zygote and a fetus. Ignoring that difference is leading you astray.

 

[Chaos]

While I consider myself neither pro-choice or pro-life, the pro-life stands is clearly the more defensible and consistent.

Consistently heartless, cruel and wrong, you mean?

^the same for me.

You can make choice before having sex - if you are stupid and you didnt use any contraception then act like an adult and take the consequence.

Sure... women should know better than to let themselves be raped. Underage girls should know better than to let male relatives sexually abuse them. Serves those sluts right to have to give birth to their rapist´s child.

 

[SezMe]

You can make choice before having sex - if you are stupid and you didnt use any contraception then act like an adult and take the consequence.

More black and white thinking. Not all pregnancies arise from consensual sex. Birth control is not 100% effective. Etc. Your view ignores the messy realities of the world people actually inhabit.

 

[ponderingturtle]

More black and white thinking. Not all pregnancies arise from consensual sex. Birth control is not 100% effective. Etc. Your view ignores the messy realities of the world people actually inhabit.

Also the fun part of letting women die from preventable causes, but hey they are only women(walking uteruses)

 

[cesarz]

More black and white thinking. Not all pregnancies arise from consensual sex. Birth control is not 100% effective. Etc. Your view ignores the messy realities of the world people actually inhabit.

Right - im pro abortion when there was rape or diseases.

And yes birth control is 100% effective - but we are grown ups so i think we know where the children come from

 

[Dayan81]

Fact: the vast majority of abortions in the USA take place by the 12th week.

This makes the discussion of late-term or even 2nd-trimester abortions almost a strawman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_abortion_by_gestational_age_2004_histogram.svg

 

[ponderingturtle]

Fact: the vast majority of abortions in the USA take place by the 12th week.

This makes the discussion of late-term or even 2nd-trimester abortions almost a strawman.

[qimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/US_abortion_by_gestational_age_2004_histogram.svg/450px-US_abortion_by_gestational_age_2004_histogram.svg.png[/qimg]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_abortion_by_gestational_age_2004_histogram.svg

Not at all, they are about punishing women for having complications.

 

[Dayan81]

Not at all, they are about punishing women for having complications.

Even more, they are about demanding that women have no control over their bodies. Illegalize abortion, illegalize contraception, illegalize condoms.

What more do they want...to illegalize a woman's right to say "no"?

And no, this is not a strawman as many Tea-Baggers call for the Constitution to be returned to its original form & content, calling for women to have less-rights falls very much in-line with their ideological views.

 

[oddball]

More black and white thinking. Not all pregnancies arise from consensual sex. Birth control is not 100% effective. Etc. Your view ignores the messy realities of the world people actually inhabit.

And Dr. Paul's view does not... He has stated that he has no problem with the use of a "morning after" pill in the case of rape, incest and the like. He doesn't consider the pregnancy established until the blastocyst (or whatever it's called) attaches to the uterine wall, which takes at least a week after conception.

Personally, I think Paul's view is correct, that abortion is always wrong, but the federal government is not authorized to legislate on the matter, barring a constitutional amendment of some sort.

I didn't always think abortion is wrong. Then one day I watched "The Silent Scream" which has caused many a pro-choice person to do a one-eighty on the topic.

 

[ponderingturtle]

And Dr. Paul's view does not... He has stated that he has no problem with the use of a "morning after" pill in the case of rape, incest and the like. He doesn't consider the pregnancy established until the blastocyst (or whatever it's called) attaches to the uterine wall, which takes at least a week after conception.

Personally, I think Paul's view is correct, that abortion is always wrong, but the federal government is not authorized to legislate on the matter, barring a constitutional amendment of some sort.

I didn't always think abortion is wrong. Then one day I watched "The Silent Scream" which has caused many a pro-choice person to do a one-eighty on the topic.

So your take it we should let women die who have complications then? Making those deaths more common is a feature of the rules and regulations that. WHat is so remarkable about being told "the doctor on call right now does not do the procedure you need to not die with your fetus, so we are waiting for a doctor who does not have moral issues with saving your life to come in. Hope you don't die before that happens."

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Don't be manipulated by propaganda:

The_Silent_Scream#Medical_community^WP

 

[oddball]

So your take it we should let women die who have complications then? Making those deaths more common is a feature of the rules and regulations that. WHat is so remarkable about being told "the doctor on call right now does not do the procedure you need to not die with your fetus, so we are waiting for a doctor who does not have moral issues with saving your life to come in. Hope you don't die before that happens."

Dr. Paul has stated that he never saw a case where a third trimester abortion was medically necessary. I think that if the situation a common one, an ob-gyn doctor who has delivered 4,000 babies would have seen at least one of them. In any event, he voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life.

Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 states that the procedure would be allowed only in cases in which a women's life is in danger, not for cases where a women's health is in danger. Those who performed this procedure, would face fines and up to two years in prison, and the women to whom this procedure is performed on are not held criminally liable.

 

[Tricky]

And Dr. Paul's view does not... He has stated that he has no problem with the use of a "morning after" pill in the case of rape, incest and the like. He doesn't consider the pregnancy established until the blastocyst (or whatever it's called) attaches to the uterine wall, which takes at least a week after conception.

Personally, I think Paul's view is correct, that abortion is always wrong, but the federal government is not authorized to legislate on the matter, barring a constitutional amendment of some sort.

I didn't always think abortion is wrong. Then one day I watched "The Silent Scream" which has caused many a pro-choice person to do a one-eighty on the topic.

Many a child has watched their father bait a fishook with a live, wriggling worm and watched it writhe in agony. It's caused many a pro-sports person to do a one-eighty on fishing.

 

[corplinx]

Ron Paul has delivered thousands of beautiful babies into this world and one can't blame him for trying to legislate economic protection for his profession into law by ensuring that every healthy baby comes to term.

Another Republican looking out for his business buddies. It's a shame.

 

[Almo]

Many a child has watched their father bait a fishook with a live, wriggling worm and watched it writhe in agony. It's caused many a pro-sports person to do a one-eighty on fishing.

Certainly put me off fishing. I'm not kidding or being sarcastic, either.