Roger Waters promotes 9/11 conspiracy theories...

[Steve]

Yes, can I suggest you look at the thread title and OP, if the penny is only dropping now.

The thread title says that Waters promotes 9-11 conspiracy theories. But yet again a thread has devolved into Vixen promoting conspiracy theories. As predictable as the sun rises in the east. (yes I know, the earth revolves.......)

 

[Dave Rogers]

Facts might hurt but they won't change.

But they sometimes get extra bits stuck on with duct tape by people too lazy to check them.

Dave

 

[Vixen]

The thread title says that Waters promotes 9-11 conspiracy theories. But yet again a thread has devolved into Vixen promoting conspiracy theories. As predictable as the sun rises in the east. (yes I know, the earth revolves.......)

It's no good joining a thread on Roger Waters' CT support only to declare 'You must not discuss it".

It is not accurate or rational IMV to claim Waters is simply 'anti-Semitic' given there is nothing in his biography to suggest he's a racist.

A refusal or fear of looking at where he's coming from reflects an inability to grasp how to analyse historical events. The 9/11 attack really wasn't a mysterious discrete event that happened out of the blue.

Perhaps you are waiting for the TORONTO POST to tell you what to think.

Oooh, scary <sfx deep American voice> "Don't go there!"

 

[catsmate]

<gibber snip>

Sigh. Continuing pathetic attempt to distract from your fractal idiocy.....

 

[catsmate]

Yes, can I suggest you look at the thread title and OP, if the penny is only dropping now.

So you admit that you're pushing conspiratorial drivel? A good start.

 

[Dave Rogers]

It's no good joining a thread on Roger Waters' CT support only to declare 'You must not discuss it".

We are not discussing whether 9/11 conspiracy theories are true or not, we are discussing what Roger Waters might be predicating his 9/11 views on, as per the thread topic.

So we're not allowed to discuss something we mustn't be forbidden to discuss. Right.

Dave

 

[Steve]

It's no good joining a thread on Roger Waters' CT support only to declare 'You must not discuss it".

It is not accurate or rational IMV to claim Waters is simply 'anti-Semitic' given there is nothing in his biography to suggest he's a racist.

A refusal or fear of looking at where he's coming from reflects an inability to grasp how to analyse historical events. The 9/11 attack really wasn't a mysterious discrete event that happened out of the blue.

Perhaps you are waiting for the TORONTO POST to tell you what to think.

Oooh, scary <sfx deep American voice> "Don't go there!"

Seems I was right. That night's sleep didn't help at all. Today's posts are starting out just as full of irrelevant nonsense as yesterday's.

 

[SuperMurrio]

Looks like we're in the 'it is undeniably factual it all happened' phase of the performance, but a seed has been sown!

It's no good joining a thread on Roger Waters' CT support only to declare 'You must not discuss it".

It is not accurate or rational IMV to claim Waters is simply 'anti-Semitic' given there is nothing in his biography to suggest he's a racist.

A refusal or fear of looking at where he's coming from reflects an inability to grasp how to analyse historical events. The 9/11 attack really wasn't a mysterious discrete event that happened out of the blue.

Perhaps you are waiting for the TORONTO POST to tell you what to think.

Oooh, scary <sfx deep American voice> "Don't go there!"

Didn't take long to move on to the next phase of the performance - giving credibility to the CTists as something worth discussing.

Next up: 'just asking questions'.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Not at all. I was trying to #bekind by gently trying to point out to you the benefits of taking a step back - take a breath! - and try being objective and dispassionate when looking at historical events, rather than your usual reflexive response of heckling. I understand it is anxiety-provoking for some for fear of, I dunno, perhaps a fear of not conforming, or a fear that someone like yourself will shut you down or even worse a bully might come along to call you names.

The celebratory Israelis incident did happen, contrary to your characteristic knee-jerk response it didn't. I recommend you read the FORWARD article in full if you blindly think it 'rubbish'. This is a Jewish newspaper and yet it is perfectly capable of clear objectivity. Perhaps take a page out of its book and stop acting like you feel threatened by thinking. Facts might hurt but they won't change.

No. You're not making people angry or upset because you're forcing them to face some uncomfortable truth. As has been repeatedly explained to you, no one finds your conspiracy-mongering and other BS upsetting or disconcerting. We find it obnoxious and offensive, first and foremost because of all the graves you're pissing on.

As for the incident in question, yes, someone reported suspicious behavior by these Israelis, but whether they were actually celebrating, and to what extent, is unknowable. This was merely the witness's interpretation. As noted, however, they were investigated, cleared of any involvement in the attacks, and deported due to unrelated immigration violations.

 

[Steve]

Not at all. I was trying to #bekind by gently trying to point out to you the benefits of taking a step back - take a breath! - and try being objective and dispassionate when looking at historical events, rather than your usual reflexive response of heckling. I understand it is anxiety-provoking for some for fear of, I dunno, perhaps a fear of not conforming, or a fear that someone like yourself will shut you down or even worse a bully might come along to call you names.

The celebratory Israelis incident did happen, contrary to your characteristic knee-jerk response it didn't. I recommend you read the FORWARD article in full if you blindly think it 'rubbish'. This is a Jewish newspaper and yet it is perfectly capable of clear objectivity. Perhaps take a page out of its book and stop acting like you feel threatened by thinking. Facts might hurt but they won't change.

"facts", she wrote!

 

[Brainster]

It's no good joining a thread on Roger Waters' CT support only to declare 'You must not discuss it".

It is not accurate or rational IMV to claim Waters is simply 'anti-Semitic' given there is nothing in his biography to suggest he's a racist.

David Gilmour's wife, who presumably knows Roger Waters better than you do, called him anti-Semitic to his rotten core. Gilmour responded with "Every word demonstrably true."

 

[Smock]

David Gilmour's wife, who presumably knows Roger Waters better than you do, called him anti-Semitic to his rotten core. Gilmour responded with "Every word demonstrably true."

B-b-b-but I bet she never plastered handbills for their management, hmmmm? And if so, she can teach @Vixen nothing about Pink Floyd. Nothing!!

 

[Axxman300]

The issue was people claimed the 'celebratory Israelis' was a myth that didn't happen. It did happen and is documented.

Point being, moron, is this had nothing to do with the attacks of 9-11. The disaster was witnessed by a half-million people. There were many different reactions, and the FBI and NYPD investigated hundreds of reports of strange activity in the months afterword. The fact that the Dancing Israelis has stood out over suspicious activities of other - non-Jewish - people suggests a certain bias among a specific set of people.

The Israeli - Palestinian conflict isn't to do with 'anti-Semiticism'; that's just an ignorant excuse for shutting down any mention of it.

9-11 has nothing to do with the Israeli-Palestinian problem. And this is the point you're happy to ignore.

What this conference, and Roger Waters is claiming that Israel was behind the attacks, and staged the collapse of the WTC by wiring the buildings with explosives. All to drag the US into a war with...[checks notes} Afghanistan, and later Iraq...but not Palestine. You'd think Mossad might have made the hijackers Palestinians. Even a few with a track record of terrorist acts. But no, we got Saudis, and Egyptians, and anything but Palestinians in those 19 hijackers.

So the premise of this conference is nakedly stupid, and based on antisemitism. They are accusing a Jewish state of attacking the US with zero evidence. Why would they do that? The US government knows a few higher-ups in the Saudi regime helped Al Qaeda, but we've been cautious about how we've dealt with the issue because we lack solid evidence. That is the difference here. Yes, we suspect a more involved Saudi involvement at some level, but we can't prove it. But these guys have it all figured out because Israel is evil or something.

We know why Al Qaeda attacked the US (repeatedly). Bin Laden PUT IT IN WRITING. Israel had nothing to do with it. Claiming otherwise is antisemitic. Got it?

 

[Axxman300]

A refusal or fear of looking at where he's coming from reflects an inability to grasp how to analyse historical events. The 9/11 attack really wasn't a mysterious discrete event that happened out of the blue.

You have come to the wrong subsection of this board. The 9-11 Conspiracies board has the most in depth discussions of all the facts and events of that day, and the subsequent investigations found anywhere on the internet. Your silly games won't work here.

Here you are nothing but low-hanging fruit.

So far your arguments have been dead on arrival. Maybe catch a clue.

 

[Foster Zygote]

You have come to the wrong subsection of this board. The 9-11 Conspiracies board has the most in depth discussions of all the facts and events of that day, and the subsequent investigations found anywhere on the internet. Your silly games won't work here.

Here you are nothing but low-hanging fruit.

So far your arguments have been dead on arrival. Maybe catch a clue.

Give her some time. She's only just become interested in/reached a firm conclusion about this subject. As with Apollo, there's an enormous mountain of false information to sift through to construct a castle of sand and ◊◊◊◊ to form the Fortress of Truth® that no one else is clever enough to understand.

By the way, I have to give shared credit to GlennB and SpitfireIX in the pool started in the least thread (you'll find it in AAH). The former was the first to mention 9/11, but with a question mark and the alternative prediction of JFK, while the latter was the first to firmly predict she would "go full-blown Truther at some point". They'll have to split the winnings, which can be collected at the bursar's office between 10:00 and 16:00 GMT.

 

[Foster Zygote]

What's that weird 'clunkity-clunk' sound that is growing closer and closer?

 

[kookbreaker]

911myths may be gone but archive.org does have the article they wrote about the dancers:

Dancing Israelis - 911myths

web.archive.org