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Cont: Roe v Wade overturned - this is some BS part II

There are no adequate words.



Ignorance is Strength!

An ectopic pregnancy is not a viable foetus, there is no trade.
That's what makes it an acceptable trade-off.

Just be proud your vote helped this situation arise - it's what you wanted, so why bother failing so hard to defend it with imaginary scenarios?
Nobody wants to legalize abortion to protect the excision of ectopic pregnancies. That's just the excuse they use when abortions of convenience get denounced in their face.

You and I could agree here and now about abortions of medical necessity - and we do! - but you'd still call me a monster for opposing abortions of convenience.
 
"Abortions of convenience" is a term used only by anti-abortion campaigners for the purpose of trivialising the arguments of those who are in favour of universal access to abortion. It's intended to make it look like we think the decision to have an abortion is no more difficult or emotional as the decision about what to have for lunch.
 
Even if one were to accept the idea that "abortions of convenience" should be forbidden, while quite obviously the termination of non-viable fetuses should not, we live in a real world, not one of theoretical perfection. And in this real world, the forbidding of one leads stupid and overly cautious people who consider the prevention of "abortions of convenience" their primary goal to acting against the interest of at least a few. People enforce the laws that people make, and some of the people who make these laws are profoundly ignorant.

It's likely, that as theprestige points out, we could all agree on the theoretical issue of abortions of medical necessity. Whether we could agree on the exact bounds of medical necessity is less certain, but let's forget that for the moment. If one supports the system now prevailing in those places where "abortions of convenience" are forbidden, then the theoretical issue remains only theoretical, because decisions are made by human beings, and the laws in many places are so severe that the penalty for allowing an abortion is greater than that for injuring or even killing an adult, and however few the errors are, they exist, and acceptance of those laws constitutes acceptance of that bias and that collateral damage.

In a real world where things are ambiguous, varied, and decisions subject to human error, there will likely always be some error, some level of collateral damage. As things stand now, it seems the fear of someone getting away with an unnecessary abortion exceeds the fear of someone being harmed or killed by the withholding of a necessary one. Of course it's easier for me to say, since I support abortion rights anyway, but for me, that's the wrong way around.
 
How many like me and my sister aren't going to be born now, because of what we've allowed to happen? Mom's first pregnancy was ectopic, her second ended in the toilet before she even knew she was pregnant. Both of those failures to get started on her dozen names already picked out only slowed her eventual successful pregnancies, but without Roe vs Wade those mothers are now dying with their pregnancies rather than living to try again.
 
ED is obviously Nature's way of telling you that you shouldn't have sex anymore, let alone children.
Anyone taking Viagara is having a Boner of Convenience, clearly against God's wishes.
We need to ban all types of medication of the sort, only allowing it by doctor's orders in medical emergencies - they do, after all, have some serious side effects.
 
ED is obviously Nature's way of telling you that you shouldn't have sex anymore, let alone children.
Anyone taking Viagara is having a Boner of Convenience, clearly against God's wishes.
We need to ban all types of medication of the sort, only allowing it by doctor's orders in medical emergencies - they do, after all, have some serious side effects.
It's always been a bit of an anomaly that people who want to ban "gender affirming" measures don't count boner pills and testosterone injections, boob jobs and butt lifts, as such. It's always a tossup to decide whether it's stupidity, dishonesty, or both.

But then again, anomaly is rife here. I think I mentioned it once before, but one of the funniest anti-abortion bumper stickers I've ever seen is one that said something like "Aren't you glad your mother chose to have you."
 
Pro-choicers regularly advocate for their position by invoking circumstances of rape, but the vast majority of abortions are elective, which I guess means "abortions of convenience." The pro-life crowd likes to talk about "partial birth abortions" even though late-late-term abortions are extremely rare and are performed reluctantly because the pregnancy was almost always wanted.

While I think we need more friction in our society when it comes to things like gambling and social media use, I am a big fan of abortions of convenience. Despite anti-abortion legislation, the abortion rate has continued to rise. Nobody knows why exactly, but I'd guess that a big part of it is the fact that most abortions are now medical abortions (i.e., taking medication -- as opposed to a surgical abortion). Since abortions are a form of medicine, I've always thought the term was a little odd. I prefer what the pro-life crowd calls it: "chemical abortion." Chemical abortions are convenient (and, like chemistry, kinda awesome).

As surely mentioned on this forum five or six thousand times, more embryos are destroyed as a result of IVF than abortion, so I guess that biological material is discarded as a matter of "convenience." We need wombs. In the 90s, Britain passed some law about destroying abandoned embryos. It's a story as old as time. The parents of those embryos say they'll be right back; they just need to step out to buy cigarettes. So these innocent embryos were going to be disposed as a matter of convenience when a bunch of Italian women, including nuns, offered to "adopt" them. I wish more pro-lifers would adopt these innocent human beings rather than relying on arguments of convenience.
 
Pain in menstruation and during child birth is God's Punishment for women for the crime of being ... female.
If I remember my Bible it was punishment for the crime of disobeying God's instructions, the crime of being swayed by the Serpent's persuasion, and the crime of being the source of Original Sin.

After all, she was female long before she partake of the fruit, and it wasn't a crime then.
 
If I remember my Bible it was punishment for the crime of disobeying God's instructions, the crime of being swayed by the Serpent's persuasion, and the crime of being the source of Original Sin.

After all, she was female long before she partake of the fruit, and it wasn't a crime then.
Eve was one woman, god's collective punishment for all women since humans learned right from wrong seems a tad excessive and a tad shall we say unfair? Especially because god doesn't think children should be punished for the crimes of their parents...except when he does.
 
Eve was one woman, god's collective punishment for all women since humans learned right from wrong seems a tad excessive and a tad shall we say unfair? Especially because god doesn't think children should be punished for the crimes of their parents...except when he does.
Oh, God totally thinks children should be punished for the crimes of their parents.
 

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