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Rocks VS. Acid

Mephisto said:
You must be right! I'm sure it's the liberal media who is making this more of a story than it really is. After all, who would respond to headlines like:

ISRAELI SETTLERS THROW DONALD DUCK ORANGE JUICE ON SOLDIERS

As I said in my post to Mycroft, it takes a big person/country to admit a mistake.

And it takes a pretty small one to demand an undeserved apology. All I did was ask for a citation, I didn't realize that would lead you to conclude that I was passing judgment on the media as a whole.

Of course, considering the way you couched the whole thread as a taunt to those who you consider "apologists," I guess I should have realized that you already had a little list going and that you may have my name on it for some reason.

Ah well. Fortunately cooler heads than yours are generally prevailing in Gaza right now.
 
I wonder what the reaction would be if the headline was very vague, something like "Israeli troops enter a place of worship while fosably evicting the local population."

Hmm.
 
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Originally posted by Mephisto
"The option of throwing acid into the face of a person with whose beliefs one disagrees is not one that is often pursued, and the fact that we can find two instances of it on the Ukrainian Archive, and that both were perpetrated by Jews, makes us wonder if there is something about Jewish culture not only that inspires such an absolute confidence in one's rectitude as to justify extreme cruelty to others, but makes us wonder too if there is something within Jewish culture that points to acid throwing as an appropriate instrument for expressing this cruelty."

http://www.ukar.org/fauris02.html

Nice, quoteing Robert Faurisson.

I assume you don't know who he is, so I'll be helpful and provide this google search to help you out.

Your www.ukar.org site is just as bad. It's the sort of place that quotes Robert Faurisson, for starters.
 
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Mephisto said:

"The option of throwing acid into the face of a person with whose beliefs one disagrees is not one that is often pursued, and the fact that we can find two instances of it on the Ukrainian Archive, and that both were perpetrated by Jews, makes us wonder if there is something about Jewish culture not only that inspires such an absolute confidence in one's rectitude as to justify extreme cruelty to others, but makes us wonder too if there is something within Jewish culture that points to acid throwing as an appropriate instrument for expressing this cruelty."

http://www.ukar.org/fauris02.html

Wait--you're quoting Robert Faurisson? On UKAR.NET??!!!!

You know...Before I draw any conclusions or make any comments that might get me suspended, let me just say that you may want to do some small investigative work before posting the first thing that Google turns up, mkay?
 
Jocko said:
I really don't think you do. You opened a new thread with an allegation, and didn't support it with any kind of reference. I then endeavored to find out what you were talking about, and an equally reputable source called it diluted paint thinner, not acid. Hence my skepticism.

Can you post the link to your "equally reputable source? You know the routine, you question my source, I question yours . . . "

Jocko said:
And it takes a pretty small one to demand an undeserved apology. All I did was ask for a citation, I didn't realize that would lead you to conclude that I was passing judgment on the media as a whole.

The subject isn't your judgement of the media. You were insisting that your source was equally reputable to the one I quoted, I requested to see your source. You originally requested my sources that indicated acid was thrown on Israeli soldiers. I provided it at which point you quoted a source you've yet to credit making claims that the fluid thrown on the Israeli solders was watered down paint thinner.

I wonder if they'll explain WHY paint thinner? And why watered down paint thinner? Was it like the Alamo and they were running low on paint thinner to throw at the soldiers so they had to ration it out, no more indiscriminate art or redecorating?

The source I subsequently provided also indicated that the throwing of acid may have been a cultural insult from Jewish lore (the assertion was from a source NOT in the middle east), yet you maintain that the media should have said, acidic substance and not acid.

Jocko said:
Of course, considering the way you couched the whole thread as a taunt to those who you consider "apologists," I guess I should have realized that you already had a little list going and that you may have my name on it for some reason.

Au contraire, I came in with a post regarding the obvious lack of casualties in confrontations between displaced Jewish settlers and Israeli soliders. I was expressly interested in the current opinions of the subject from those members who have habitually supported anything the Israeli government/military has ever done. Now that the country of Israel is making some pretty heavy concessions, does their disarming their soldiers while dealing with Israeli settlers in any way indicate that they were distrustful of their military's ability to peacefully confront unarmed protestors?

Jocko said:
Ah well. Fortunately cooler heads than yours are generally prevailing in Gaza right now.

Yes, and hopefully the passion for cause will die and be replaced by the passion for life and an understanding that will result in peace. If liberal is to become a dirty word in the U.S. then I assert that apologist is an equally dirty word. It can also be just as indiscriminately slung around those who use words to justify the violence against innocent humans by their government.
 
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Cleon said:
Wait--you're quoting Robert Faurisson? On UKAR.NET??!!!!

You know...Before I draw any conclusions or make any comments that might get me suspended, let me just say that you may want to do some small investigative work before posting the first thing that Google turns up, mkay?

We agree on something?!! :jaw:
 
Mephisto said:
Can you post the link to your "equally reputable source? You know the routine, you question my source, I question yours . . . "

Oh, sorry, I mentioned the CNN article and sorta assumed you would realize it could be found at CNN. Didn't mean to leave you hanging there, so please, click here. I trust you can find the rest of the way yourself. :rolleyes:

The subject isn't your judgement of the media. You were insisting that your source was equally reputable to the one I quoted, I requested to see your source. You originally requested my sources that indicated acid was thrown on Israeli soldiers. I provided it at which point you quoted a source you've yet to credit making claims that the fluid thrown on the Israeli solders was watered down paint thinner.

Thanks for the recap, but I was there, I saw the exchange we had. But you have confused yourself a bit... actually, I referenced CNN before you brought up MSNBC. Look back up there and you'll see, it's right by the spot I thank you for following through.

I wonder if they'll explain WHY paint thinner? And why watered down paint thinner? Was it like the Alamo and they were running low on paint thinner to throw at the soldiers so they had to ration it out, no more indiscriminate art or redecorating?

Because they're Israeli apologists? I'm guessing that's where you're going with this anyhow... Likewise, perhaps I should be asking why MSNBC declined to mention what kind of acid was used. Nitric? Boric? There's a lot of play in there as well.

The source I subsequently provided also indicated that the throwing of acid may have been a cultural insult from Jewish lore (the assertion was from a source NOT in the middle east), yet you maintain that the media should have said, acidic substance and not acid.

That is untrue. What I said was there were two wordings from roughly equally reliable sources, and that the discrepancy was significant. I did not, at any point, call you a liar like you are now attempting to do to me.

Post my words claiming one source or the other was definitely wrong. I dare you.

Au contraire, I came in with a post regarding the obvious lack of casualties in confrontations between displaced Jewish settlers and Israeli soliders. I was expressly interested in the current opinions of the subject from those members who have habitually supported anything the Israeli government/military has ever done. Now that the country of Israel is making some pretty heavy concessions, does their disarming their soldiers while dealing with Israeli settlers in any way indicate that they were distrustful of their military's ability to peacefully confront unarmed protestors?

Oh, so now "apologists" has become "habitual supporters." I think you have a problem with definitions as well as understanding the plain, simple English used in this very thread.

Yes, and hopefully the passion for cause will die and be replaced by the passion for life and an understanding that will result in peace. If liberal is to become a dirty word in the U.S. then I assert that apologist is an equally dirty word. It can also be just as indiscriminately slung around those who use words to justify the violence against innocent humans by their government.

Truly, a paragon of maturity. You don't like the connotations of one word, so you decide to mangle the meanings of more. That, and of course you seem to blame me (or Israel? It's hard to follow your train of thought) for sullying the "L" word.

I'd worry less about me and more about citing a famous holocaust denier in a thread about Israel.
 
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Cleon said:
Wait--you're quoting Robert Faurisson? On UKAR.NET??!!!!

You know...Before I draw any conclusions or make any comments that might get me suspended, let me just say that you may want to do some small investigative work before posting the first thing that Google turns up, mkay?

I'll have to admit I'm not familiar with Faurisson. My mistake if he's a charlatan, but isn't this still related to the subject in question? I mean he's talking about acid (not acidic), right? Certainly I'll look for other sources if he routinely claims that Jewish werewolves engage in this practice in their fight against Uri Geller's robot army.

I still stand by the Associated Press claims that the settlers threw acid on Israeli soldiers. Robert Faurisson aside, claims that the fluid dousing Israeli soldiers was diluted paint thinner sound pretty preposterious to me.

:bricks:
 
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Mephisto said:
I'll have to admit I'm not familiar with Faurisson. My mistake if he's a charlatan, but isn't this still related to the subject in question? I mean he's talking about acid (not acidic), right? Certainly I'll look for other sources if he routinely claims that Jewish werewolves engage in this practice in their fight against Uri Geller's robot army.

Robert Faurisson is a well-known anti-semite, Holocaust denier, and all around conspiracy theorist and nutjob. Ukar.net--well, just pull up the main page. Anti-semitism, conspiracy theories, the works.

It's a mistake, at best, to quote him or that site as an authority on anything more significant than the color of his shirt (and even then I'd be skeptical).
 
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Mephisto said:
I'll have to admit I'm not familiar with Faurisson. My mistake if he's a charlatan, but isn't this still related to the subject in question? I mean he's talking about acid (not acidic), right? Certainly I'll look for other sources if he routinely claims that Jewish werewolves engage in this practice in their fight against Uri Geller's robot army.

He's a world famous anti-Semite and holocaust denier. He's like David Irving, only with less credibility. He's not an authority you want to quote on Jewish customs.
 
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Mycroft said:
We agree on something?!! :jaw:

In my experince with Cleon I've found him to be a vociferous liberal cut from the same cloth as Upchurch and Tricky.

In other words; pesky, uppity, contentious, with a generous dose of intellectual integrity.

In short one of those folks you end up liking in spite of your deep desire not to.... :p

-z
 
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rikzilla said:
In my experince with Cleon I've found him to be a vociferous liberal cut from the same cloth as Upchurch and Tricky.

In other words; pesky, uppity, contentious, with a generous dose of intellectual integrity.

In short one of those folks you end up liking in spite of your deep desire not to.... :p

-z

Liberal? LIBERAL??!!? (Insert comment that would get me suspended here) ;)
 
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Mycroft said:
He's a world famous anti-Semite and holocaust denier. He's like David Irving, only with less credibility. He's not an authority you want to quote on Jewish customs.

Darn! David Irving too!!! :eek: Next you'll be telling me not to attend that diversity lecture with David Duke!!! :confused:

LOL! Using an infamous anti-semite as an authority on Jewish customs is hiring Fred Phelps as a grief counselor. :hit:

Not getting down on you Mephisto,...you seem to be the honest vicitim of a quick mouse finger. Trust me, I've been mortified myself to have been caught in just such a faux pas.

Live and learn man, live and learn.... ;)

-z
 
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rikzilla said:
In my experince with Cleon I've found him to be a vociferous liberal cut from the same cloth as Upchurch and Tricky.

In other words; pesky, uppity, contentious, with a generous dose of intellectual integrity.

In short one of those folks you end up liking in spite of your deep desire not to.... :p
-z

and Brown, Capel Dodger, and yours truly are second-raters, eh?

Just you wait, O Obese Reptilian with a bad case of heartburn, you'll get yours.....:D :D :p :p

In short one of those folks you end up liking in spite of your deep desire not to.... :p

PS--Same for you and aerocontrols and manny and Randfan and Grammy and....oh well, I'll just let them tell me I forgot them.....:hit:

;)
 
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Cleon said:
Liberal? LIBERAL??!!? (Insert comment that would get me suspended here) ;)

:D :D :D

Hey I felt a need to say nice things about you after trying to talk sense to those wishy-washy Criss Angel worshippers!

Now, back to our regularly schedulled program....

-z
 
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Hutch said:
and Brown, Capel Dodger, and yours truly are second-raters, eh?

Just you wait, O Obese Reptilian with a bad case of heartburn, you'll get yours.....:D :D :p :p



PS--Same for you and aerocontrols and manny and Randfan and Grammy and....oh well, I'll just let them tell me I forgot them.....:hit:

;)

Woo people notice me, I am somebody!
 
MuuuuhahahahahAHAHAHA!

Perfect thread derail accomplished....thread has disintegrated into an illogical outpouring of niceness!!! :D :D

My work here is done.....

-z
 
rikzilla said:
MuuuuhahahahahAHAHAHA!

Perfect thread derail accomplished....thread has disintegrated into an illogical outpouring of niceness!!! :D :D

So we have a thread about the Middle East.

Rikzilla intervenes and it becomes an "illogical outpouring of niceness."

And all of this is happening on the Politics board.


And next, seven angels will play seven trumpets...
 
CplFerro said:
But where do these people get all this acid? Is it sold down at the local five and dime, or what?
Even here in the Democratic People's Republic of Chicago, which bans handguns, spray paint, and "for sale" signs on cars, you can buy acid at any hardware store.
 

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