Roberts to Debate Bermas on 'Hardfire'

R.Mackey said:
Why tip your hand? In your place, I'd prepare it -- even bring a tape recorder or laptop or whatever -- and show them where they said so on the air.

Assuming, that is, those liars actually show up. I rather suspect they'll chicken out.
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I think they'll show up. There's too much exposure and finality to the agreement for them to be able to back out without completely losing face among their groupies.

Will Wieck allow multimedia clips? I believe he played clips for Les Jamieson during that show, didn't he?
 
R.Mackey said:
Why tip your hand? In your place, I'd prepare it -- even bring a tape recorder or laptop or whatever -- and show them where they said so on the air.

Assuming, that is, those liars actually show up. I rather suspect they'll chicken out.
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That's all from my WTC 7 paper, which they refer to by page number in that thread. :)
 
JAStewart said:
I posted that on LC.
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Someone should post the headlines from prisonplanet over there too.

Larry Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex, admitted on a September 2002 PBS documentary, 'America Rebuilds' that he and the NYFD decided to 'pull' WTC 7 on the day of the attack. The word 'pull' is industry jargon for taking a building down with explosives.



Update: World Trade Center 7 Imploded by Silverstein, FDNY and others


Update: People Died in WTC 7: This Makes Silverstein and the FDNY guilty of AT LEAST Manslaughter
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I personally refuse to sign up. Not seen enough of a change in attitude over there to warrant signing on.

TAM
 
JAStewart said:
Are you all banned over there or just don't want to sign up?
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I have an account, but for some reason it won't let me post. I haven't cared enough to figure out why. I was banned previously on the old forum for daring to post in a thread dedicated to my blog.
 
Dylan actually said that he might have joined Bermas and Rowe on the LC forums.
 
60hzxtl said:
Uh oh! Looks like Korey is gonna snivel!

This from the leader of the cult that's made for you and me : "I might actually sit in for Korey. We'll see when we get there."

http://loosechange911.blogspot.com/
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They'll need to run that past Ron Wieck first. I'd be thrilled if all three participated. I don't know about this "sitting in for Korey" business. In August Rowe challenged his critics to a debate, and I immediately accepted. Hope he doesn't get cold feet.
 
Perhaps Dylan is afraid that Korey will say something stupid again. Like that "we intentionally left errors in the movie" comment.

Dylan mentioned on the Loose Change forums that it was a "stupid comment", but when he was asked if it was true or not the threads mysteriously dissappeared. Twice.
 
Here’s my take on where they are heading now that they are going to debate and from what I’ve read on their forums.

It appears they are headed towards MIHOP lite.

By this I mean they made it happen but not the way they have been promoting for the past 5 years but rather by a few individuals in key spots making things happen the way we all witnessed it happening.

Follow me on this journey for a bit.

OBL one way or another is on our payroll or is at least being fed info on targets we want/need him to hit for our political purposes.

Money is funneled to him or his agents through various means (ISI connection) for him to plan and execute an attack. The hijackers will be trained and motivated to carry out the attacks as we all saw. The government will allow all this to happen by having key personnel in positions to ignore intelligence, let the hijackers into the country, and allow the airspace to be open for them to accomplish their tasks. (This allows in things like Minetta, stand down orders and any other discrepancies as they see them). The attacks happen as the government planned because ultimately crashing planes is not that hard. Government gets it’s “New Pearl Harbor” that it wanted so that it can further plans that don’t need to be defined.

This is where I see all this heading as all their circumstantial evidence will allow this to work for them and will be difficult to prove one way or the other, but that is their aim, they don’t want hard facts they want vague ideas and shadowy figures. This ends up being a manageable conspiracy and far easier for average people to swallow.

This makes this conspiracy more like the JFK one in that it doesn’t require a lot of people and has “unanswered” questions lingering that can make people wonder.

Controlled demolition, Star Wars beams, remote controlled planes are all not necessary and were just flashing lights to draw people in.

This is where I see this going and why a debate is not much of an issue as vague questions and mysterious coincidences are not evidence and are really hard to disprove to a believers mind.
 
Stankeye,

That's a fair hypothesis.

Rather like the guy who can see that the planes severely damaged the towers, but still clings on to the idea that a small amount of CD actually brought them down, the woowoos are slowly moving towards acceptance of the fundamentals of the official account, but are clinging on to the last vestiges of their fantasy because it's too painful to give up completely.

The more shadowy 'made it happen by letting it happen' scenario is appealing to them because it retains the NWO/'Things going on behind my back' element (which appears to be very much the foundation of their world view) without being specific as to who and how.

I mean, what is life without a little mystery?

And at the end of the day, they don't really want another investigation because this might finally destroy the whole CT movement, though of course any outcome not favourable to their world view will be viewed as yet another conspiracy!
 
Stankeye said:
It appears they are headed towards MIHOP lite.
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This makes sense, in that pretty much every other theory is so outrageuos that only the stupidest or craziest will believe them.

So what we need to do now is force them to acknowledge that this means everything else they've said for the last several years was completely wrong.

And if they've been so wrong for so long, why should we accept that they've got it right this time? Because of their track record, we can rightly demand more than the same old vague BS.

Not that we'll get more, of course.
 
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