Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

[BazBear]

Now I know YOU may wish that individual consent was not required. I know YOU may wish to take the words `consent of the governed`and change it and huff and puff and claim it means something else, like consent of the majority of the governed, but all YOUR magic words do not change `consent of the governed`to `consent of the majority`.

The law is the law, and what you or I may wish, and whether or not we "consent", has nothing to do with it. When one of YOUR marks is up on charges or being sued, we can be sure THEY'LL wish they hadn't tried your magic words and methods.

 

[dafydd]

The law is the law, and what you or I may wish, and whether or not we "consent", has nothing to do with it. When one of YOUR marks is up on charges or being sued, we can be sure THEY'LL wish they hadn't tried your magic words and methods.

Yes, it's always a sad awakening and a hard lesson in reality when a freeloader ends up in court. Remember girlygye or whatever her name was? There was a thread on the Icke site. She ended up in all sorts of trouble over a trivial motoring offense by following the freeman lunacy.

 

[FreemanMenard]

Because you are governed by the government of whichever country you happen to live in. Even a child can understand that, I didn't think that it needed any explanation.

But, the government is composed of people, who have no special right to govern another without the consent of the governed. They govern the country. I am not `the country`. Funny how these same people, do not claim the right to govern me without my consent, isn`t it? Maybe they should talk to you and you can simply tell them they have the right to govern their fellow man without consent.

 

[ComfySlippers]

.. I have never met one single politician who was willing to publicly claim they have the right to govern, their fellow man without the consent of their fellow man, because they have the consent of his neighbors. Not ONE! And I asked many... not a single one wanted to claim what you do. Of course, they are not hiding on the net, are they?

Just remind us of the names of these many Politicians you have had these many conversations with.

While you're at it, name all these Judges who secretly agree with your claptrap

Oh, and show that letter that recognises you as the imaginary Freeman you think you are... you know, the one you "can't find" when you realised it didnt say what you thought it said and you were laughed at even by your fellow pot-heads.

You're the one who has inundated the intertubes with your nonsense, so post a vid of you practicing what you preach.... drive an unlicensed car without a license, plates or insurance.

Cash in your imaginary birth-bond.

Sign your name on a bill and show us how well that goes.

Take the bill that "Debbie" has signed into the bank and get your money handed over. (Gonna be a long wait for that one methinks).

Prove that the silly A4V scam works.

Show everyone Freeman Valley.

.....10 years and nothing.

 

[ComfySlippers]

...They govern the country. I am not `the country`.

Just like you're not "The Respondant".

You're pathetic word games are laughable.

 

[dafydd]

But, the government is composed of elected people, who have no special right to govern another without the consent of the governed. They govern the country. I am not `the country`. Funny how these same people, do not claim the right to govern me without my consent, isn`t it? Maybe they should talk to you and you can simply tell them they have the right to govern their fellow man without consent.

ftfy. If you do not choose to participate in the electoral process, then that is up to you. Nobody needs your consent. If you don't like it, move to another country.

 

[FreemanMenard]

Yes, it's always a sad awakening and a hard lesson in reality when a freeloader ends up in court. Remember girlygye or whatever her name was? There was a thread on the Icke site. She ended up in all sorts of trouble over a trivial motoring offense by following the freeman lunacy.

People call Freemen `Freeloaders`because we apparently do not pull our weight, and do what we are told, pay what we are told, think what we are told, without question like they do. However this world of ours is a function of all of us doing or not doing. It is a function of us following or not following our own conscience. It is a function of us standing with courage or bending to the will of others for convenience. The true freeloaders, are actually the ones who do not stand for their beliefs, but simply go along with others for fear of being ridiculed, mocked or hated. The true freeloader is the one who rejects their own conscience.

 

[BNRT]

• The true freeloaders, are actually the ones who do not stand for their beliefs, but simply go along with others for fear of being ridiculed, mocked or hated.
• The true freeloader is the one who rejects their own conscience.

I think there are already words for those things and they are not 'freeloader', since 'freeloader' means something completely different.

 

[dafydd]

People call Freemen `Freeloaders`because we apparently do not pull our weight, and do what we are told, pay what we are told, think what we are told, without question like they do. However this world of ours is a function of all of us doing or not doing. It is a function of us following or not following our own conscience. It is a function of us standing with courage or bending to the will of others for convenience. The true freeloaders, are actually the ones who do not stand for their beliefs, but simply go along with others for fear of being ridiculed, mocked or hated. The true freeloader is the one who rejects their own conscience.

It really annoys you that only a small minority of mentally challenged chavs fall for this freeman crap, doesn't it? If your conscience tells you not to pay your bills or that you don't need a driving license then be prepared to suffer the consequences.

 

[dafydd]

I think there are already words for those things and they are not 'freeloader', since 'freeloader' means something completely different.

I used freeloader in the freeman sense of using all the facilities but not paying for them.

 

[Paul]

People call Freemen `Freeloaders`because we apparently do not pull our weight, and do what we are told, pay what we are told, think what we are told, without question like they do.

Nope, we call you freeloaders because you want to retain all the benefits of society without taking any of the responsibilities.

It is a function of us standing with courage or bending to the will of others for convenience.

It doesn't matter how much you pretend you are making some kind of principled stand, what you are trying to associate with requires action. In fact, your whiny victim speeches are an insult to anyone who has actually stood behind their conscience and faced real consequences.

The true freeloaders, are actually the ones who do not stand for their beliefs, but simply go along with others for fear of being ridiculed, mocked or hated.

That sounds like the way you actually behave, opposed to the rhetoric you like to spew.

The true freeloader is the one who rejects their own conscience.

Another phrase you can't genuinely work into a coherent response.

 

[FreemanMenard]

ftfy. If you do not choose to participate in the electoral process, then that is up to you. Nobody needs your consent. If you don't like it, move to another country.

So they were elected. Big deal. Power derived cannot be greater then that which is available to be assigned. Those people who did the electing, did they have the power to govern me without consent, because if not, then those they elected to act for them do not either. Simple. Yes they are 4elected, but since the people electing them have limited power under the law, then so do those they elect to act on their behalf.

If you do not like the law which limits the power of the elected, maybe YOU should move to another country. After all, it is you who does not like the law of this country, and how we are all equal,* and thus one cannot govern another lawfully without consent.

 

[Bosozoku]

The Obsession With The Law: The slave mentality, though illogical and psychotic, still requires a certain foundation to hold it together. The laws of governments tend to suffice. These laws may go completely against the force of inherent conscience, but because the slave has already abandoned listening to his inner voice of reason, this does not bother him much. If you have ever wondered why modern tyrannies always feel the need to put their horrific enforcements in writing first, THIS is why. Oligarchs understand that the law provides the slave with a means to rationalize his participation in the crimes of the state. After all, if some gut-bloated bloodthirsty elitists in government etch their mad inbred ramblings into law, then we have no choice but to follow them, right?

All you need to do is go over to the USA Politics and / or Social Issues and Current Events forums at this very site to see people challenging various laws that they disagree with. Two recent notable examples are: (1) the Affordable Health Care Act, and (2) Florida's Stand Your Ground law. That's what the system we have is designed to do - if you can get enough people to oppose a law, you can get it amended or repealed.

If you think that it's unjust that you are required to register your vehicle, then you need to get the support of enough like-minded people to repeal the law that requires you to do so. What's unjust about that? How does that make anyone a slave?

 

[dafydd]

If you think that it's unjust that you are required to register your vehicle, then you need to get the support of enough like-minded people to repeal the law that requires you to do so. What's unjust about that? How does that make anyone a slave?

The Freeman/Freeloader nonsense is very undemocratic. It's all about me, me, me!

 

[ComfySlippers]

Well we can`t have people following their own conscience now can we? Far better they obey the dictates of the banker supported Alpha Males who have abused the system and secured for themselves and their friends political power right?

Is that you "coming out" or saying that you hate "the evil banksters" ?

Where will you cash in your Bill from "Debbie".
Who will you "set your system up with" so that people can pay you $125/month in return for pretend money?

 

[jargon buster]

Funny how these same people, do not claim the right to govern me without my consent, isn`t it?

Rob, since the law society banned you from claiming you were a lawyer or representing people in court have you done it?

Nope, and thats because you are governed, if you are not then start advertising your sillyness as legal advice and that you will charge for that said advice.

tick tock....

 

[dafydd]

I'm not surprised that our freeman is so coy about paying his taxes and using the local infrastructure and facilities. Do what I say, not what I do seems to be his motto.

 

[Bishop]

If you aren't willing to prove your claims in practice, Menard, then why don't you just get some public backup from all the very important people that you rub shoulders with? You keep telling us about all these judges that you're friends with and lawyers that you employ who agree with you entirely about the law. Why don't any of them go public or release a statement about the truth of freeman claims?

Remember, you've already said that these people are your friends/employees and are perfectly willing to admit that you're right about the law, so it's too late for you to try to backtrack and blame it on the Great Legal Conspiracy.

 

[jargon buster]

According to the law, one man may not govern another without consent.

Which law would that be Rob, the law inside your heart?

 

[jargon buster]

Well we can`t have people following their own conscience now can we?

Not if they have a conscience that believes it acceptable to take $800 from a vulnerable man and try and claim responsibility for fathering the child of a 15 year old girl.
Its consciences like that are the very reason man created governments.