Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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If you listen to his idiotic video I think he's hoping that his consumer purchase note will be refused at the bank and this means that the bank has opted out of the bills of exchange act and as such everyone can then ignore any statute they want to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUJ9WymQvwv2Lt2nHcXA4tsw&feature=player_detailpage&v=TyQSEcdY6Mc#t=1673s

This latest scam of Menards is bordering on total lunacy and I think its going to end up no more than an internet memory alongside freeman valley,C3PO, Hobbit home, law suit against JB, etc,etc,etc
 
This latest scam of Menards is bordering on total lunacy
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Agreed.

But then again all the scams he copies from the internet, (and promotes and even sells), are sheer lunacy.

Putting aside the damage he causes by taking advantage of gullible desperate people, such as Lance Thatcher who he conned $800 off, his utterings of gibberish are a wonderful source of amusement.

How one man can be so completely wrong about so many things is gobsmackingly hilarious. The fact that he actually seems to believe the crap he spouts beggars belief.

So I change my vote again in honour of this thread's original title.
He is both conman and clown.

Unfortunately this clown thinks people are laughing with him when in reality they are laughing at him.

Sounds familiar if you were alive during David Icke's purple shell-suit and Wogan times :)
No wonder he chose DIF to peddle his idiotic ramblings.

I do wonder how sorry his "When you ask the right way I must acknowledge the super-secret codes of Lawyers" Sister is for being related to him. Embarrassing to say the least.

ETA:
Chemtrails don't exist Rob.

ETA2: Of all the crap stored in the files area of the member's forum over at WFS....
I still can not locate that all elusive letter stating that Robert Menard has been recognised as a "Freeman on The Land" by the ones who previously enslaved him.
Odd isn't it?
 
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tsig said:
So you know I am presently doing some masonry upgrades on a house, and am accepting as payment a signed bill, which I will take to the bank for redemption. I am talking a months work, valued at around $10K. If the bank refuses to honour it, the homeowner will not be held liable and she gets my work for free. However I know they will. If they don't I am prepared to go to court.
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H1) Sounds like she's writing you a check.
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See also the next half-dozen words after those you highlighted, and the BOE Act, s. 189:
A consumer bill is a bill of exchange issued in respect of a consumer purchase and on which the purchaser or any person signing to accommodate the purchaser is liable as a party, but does not include
(a) a cheque that is dated the date of its issue or prior thereto, or at the time it is issued is post-dated not more than thirty days
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;)
 
jargon buster said:
...I think he's hoping that his consumer purchase note will be refused at the bank and this means that the bank has opted out of the bills of exchange act and as such everyone can then ignore any statute they want to.
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I disagree.

Working on the assumption that he actually believes this big pile of twaddle,
(a difficult concept I know. Who the heck could fall for such rubbish?),
I think he will spin the story to prove how evil the banksters are after they refuse to accept his pretend money....
You know, the old "Creating money out of thin air" that the crackpots like to spew.

He will then promote, and possibly sell, the next thing he has learned from that, probably imagined, experience by regurgitating the contents of 1990's Soveriegn/Redemption websites.
"The next step in my research... Have you read the Act?... Do your due diligence..."
Seriously funny stuff. :)

Sure is ChuckleVision.

I don't usually get the popcorn out but this is one seriously funny movie.

Even better than "Airplane" :jaw-dropp

ETA:
Another alternative would be that he tells his marks it worked.
No proof will be available of course, just another fairy tale "for entertainment purposes only"
 
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FreemanMenard said:
So you know I am presently doing some masonry upgrades on a house, and am accepting as payment a signed bill, which I will take to the bank for redemption. I am talking a months work, valued at around $10K.
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Why wait a month? Surely you could work for one hour and bill the lady $10K for that hour? She pays you with a signed bill and you go and get your $10K. You're not turning her over because the bank will pay won't it? Or does the bank put a limit on the hourly labour rate? If the answer is "Yes" please post up evidence that the bank has such a restriction in place and the exact amount of the upper limit. Having said that the bank would not be aware that the bill for $10k was for just one hour's work would it? You would just be presenting a bill for $10K, the details of any work done would not appear on the note would it?
 
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Rob rocks up at the bank

Hello, I would like to exchange this consumer purchase note.
What for?
For cash of course
Oh of course, what was I thinking, right lets see it.
(teller scratches head)
But sir, this is just a bill you wrote for 10k with a signature on it.
Yes, thats payment for some building work I did.
Work? Work for who?
A kindly old lady who shall remain nameless
So let me get this right you expect the bank to give you 10k based on your word you did some work for a fictional old lady?
Yes, you have to, the BOA says you have to
Really?
Whose account is this 10k going to come out of?
The bank of Canada of course, its the property of the people of Canada.
Oh right, well you will need the signatures of the people of Canada for me to authorise payment, it is after all a joint account isnt it?

errrr..............Im not sure
Would you like to leave now or shall I call the police?
 
Stacey Grove said:
Why wait a month?
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See the BOA Act, s. 189, and watch out for the double negative:
A consumer bill is a bill of exchange issued in respect of a consumer purchase and on which the purchaser or any person signing to accommodate the purchaser is liable as a party, but does not include
(a) a cheque that is dated the date of its issue or prior thereto, or at the time it is issued is post-dated not more than thirty days
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;)
 
FreemanMenard said:
So you know I am presently doing some masonry upgrades on a house, and am accepting as payment a signed bill, which I will take to the bank for redemption. I am talking a months work, valued at around $10K. If the bank refuses to honour it, the homeowner will not be held liable and she gets my work for free. However I know they will. If they don't I am prepared to go to court.

I also have a plan coming together for proving it to restaurants and other providers, but getting them onside requires I put money in escrow to cover my bill if payment does not go through. I already have a couple of restaurants lined up, with the owners having done what you refuse to do (read the Bills of Exchange Act) do their own study, talk to their lawyers and confirm it is an actual method of payment. Also have a Doctor and a soon a Dentist who are willing to try it as well.
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Please name the home owner, the restaurants, the doctor and the dentist.
 
Mojo said:
See the BOA Act, s. 189, and watch out for the double negative:

;)
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Even so, surely there is nothing preventing Rob charging $10k an hour is there? Or even $100k an hour? The homeowner just needs to sign the note and the bank will pay Rob won't it?
 
I wrote earlier
I have just smiled at a woman and I have given her a bill for a million dollars,(its the going rate per smile) now what do I do with this bill now she's signed Rob?
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Stacey, thats the idiocy of Menards idea, whats the difference between Menards note and mine?
Nothing at all.

unless he expects the bank to estimate the worth of his building work against my smile. :)
 
Stacey Grove said:
Even so, surely there is nothing preventing Rob charging $10k an hour is there? Or even $100k an hour? The homeowner just needs to sign the note and the bank will pay Rob won't it?
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The BOA Act seems to imply that a cheque post-dated more than 30 days (i.e. a month) can be a "consumer bill". Pehaps he's just getting a cheque when he starts, postdated to after he's finished the work.
 
rambaldi said:
1. I also doubt she exists.

2. All things aside, can anyone imagine the quality of Rob's masonry?
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And yes she does exist. her name is Debbie.
This is the work I am doing now, though today I am still digging foundation and attaching expanded metal mesh to the wall.

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I do awesome masonry work. Of course I do not expect any here who have never done it to do anything but critique.

Funny how so many here, having invested so much energy in believing I am a conman, now struggle to fit new information into their previous belief system. What cognitive dissonance! Just like the witch burners of old who having chosen to believe in a devil, have to attribute things they do not understand to satan worshipping, now you folks having convinced yourself I am a bad man, must struggle to fit the new information into your old beliefs, never thinking that maybe, just maybe, your original beliefs were wrong. The idea I have never been a conman is too much for your ego, so when I do things of a charitable nature, you have to assume there is a con angle I am playing.

You are like kids trying to ram a round peg into a smaller square hole.
 
Stacey Grove said:
Why wait a month? Surely you could work for one hour and bill the lady $10K for that hour? She pays you with a signed bill and you go and get your $10K. You're not turning her over because the bank will pay won't it? Or does the bank put a limit on the hourly labour rate? If the answer is "Yes" please post up evidence that the bank has such a restriction in place and the exact amount of the upper limit. Having said that the bank would not be aware that the bill for $10k was for just one hour's work would it? You would just be presenting a bill for $10K, the details of any work done would not appear on the note would it?
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Sounds like fraud to me. My masonry work is not worth $10K an hour. To prove it you want me to commit fraud, and undermine my right to use it further in the future?

I think I see now why some of this stuff is so very difficult for so many of you to grasp. You cannot conceive of using it wisely or maturely, and imagine only abusing the process ($10k/hr?) thus YOU must be denied it. And since you are willing to abuse it, so must everyone else, and thus no one can be allowed to use it.

But there is remedy for you: Just don't use it yourself!
 
FreemanMenard said:
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Funny how so many here, having invested so much energy in believing I am a conman, now struggle to fit new information into their previous belief system. The idea I have never been a conman is too much for your ego, so when I do things of a charitable nature, you have to assume there is a con angle I am playing.
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Of course this disbelief in anything you say might be based on your prior history of constant lying and yes, being a conman! Its easy when you think about it, lol
 
You may not be a bad mason - you may not be a completely despicable human being.

But you are mistaken about the "consumer purchase" program you are advocating, and Debbie is likely to get nailed with fraud or a substantial NSF fee if she doesn't have $10K-ish in the bank when you go to redeem the note.

You've been mistaken about similar things before, and likely will be in the future
 
FreemanMenard said:
Sounds like fraud to me. My masonry work is not worth $10K an hour. To prove it you want me to commit fraud, and undermine my right to use it further in the future?
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No, it is not fraud.
Masonry work, like most things, is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
If you and the lady both agree your work is worth $10k per hour there is no fraud. Surely the bank will pay you the value of the consumer notes presented irrespective of the hourly rate won't they? If not why not?
 
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Hans said:
Of course this disbelief in anything you say might be based on your prior history of constant lying and yes, being a conman! Its easy when you think about it, lol
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And yet you have no evidence that I am a conman, nor that I lied. But that will not stop you form believing it will it? Ignorance is easy for you isn't it?
 
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