Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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I will be changing my avatar later to an image of the WFS logo under the fair usage clause in the copyright act, even though I dont consent to it. :D

Better still I may just use Robs current avatar, Im sure thats not covered by copyright.
 
fitzgibbon said:
I said "so long as you exit the borders of the country." :rolleyes: If you choose to stay, you're admitting being bound by the laws of the country.

It really isn't a difficult concept. It's binary in fact:

a) I choose to stay ergo I accept the laws that apply to those that here reside
or
b) I choose to go ergo I am not bound by the laws that apply to residents as I am not resident therein

Quite a simple concept. You see, even just being within the national boundaries you ARE making use of the fruits of the nation even on the unlikely premise that you never wander off your squat.

So, in short you aren't a Freeman On The Land; you're a Freeloader On The Land
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You missed one aspect. An important one. I choose to stay, and choose to not be a government employee with a SIN, and therefore the rules that ONLY apply to them, do not apply to me, and it is the law that allows that to be the case.

In short, I exercise my rights. And that does not make me a Freeloader at all.
 
fitzgibbon said:
I said "so long as you exit the borders of the country." :rolleyes: If you choose to stay, you're admitting being bound by the laws of the country.

It really isn't a difficult concept. It's binary in fact:

a) I choose to stay ergo I accept the laws that apply to those that here reside
or
b) I choose to go ergo I am not bound by the laws that apply to residents as I am not resident therein

Quite a simple concept. You see, even just being within the national boundaries you ARE making use of the fruits of the nation even on the unlikely premise that you never wander off your squat.

So, in short you aren't a Freeman On The Land; you're a Freeloader On The Land
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You missed one aspect. An important one. I choose to stay, and choose to not be a government employee with a SIN, and therefore the rules that ONLY apply to them, do not apply to me, and it is the law that allows that to be the case.

In short, I exercise my rights. And that does not make me a Freeloader at all. It makes me one of the responsible owners.
 
solzhenitsyn said:
The sad truth is that, no matter how clearly devastating such decisions are to Rob's argument, he will always attempt to distinguish them, even on the most irrelevant ground, regardless of whether such ground was even mentioned by the court, let alone discussed in a meaningful way.
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This reminded me of the case of Denny v. Radar Industries, which can be found in the Lowering the Bar Case Law Hall of Fame:
The appellant has attempted to distinguish the factual situation in this case from that in Renfroe v. Higgins Rack Coating and Manufacturing Co., Inc. (1969), 17 Mich.App. 259, 169 N.W.2d 326. He didn't. We couldn't.

Affirmed. Costs to appellee.
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FreemanMenard said:
You missed one aspect. An important one. I choose to stay, and choose to not be a government employee with a SIN, and therefore the rules that ONLY apply to them, do not apply to me, and it is the law that allows that to be the case.

In short, I exercise my rights. And that does not make me a Freeloader at all.
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Wow! Colour me surprised. Bob believes a binary ins tripartite. :rolleyes:

Being resident within the territorial delineation of Canada, you are subject to its laws; ALL its laws. Full stop.

You are making use (by your continued presence here) of the wherewithal of state required to maintain that territorial delineation even if you never leave your squat. Full stop.

Yet you claim to exist outside of the law that governs all that reside within the territorial delineation of Canada. That's called a non-starter. Full stop.

That makes you a Freeloader on the Land. Full Stop. EOM

Fitz
 
FreemanMenard said:
You missed one aspect. An important one. I choose to stay, and choose to not be a government employee with a SIN, and therefore the rules that ONLY apply to them, do not apply to me, and it is the law that allows that to be the case.

In short, I exercise my rights. And that does not make me a Freeloader at all. It makes me one of the responsible owners.
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No, Rob, exercise of your rights without undertaking your obligations is what makes you a freeloader. One of the duties of citizenship is to pay your share of tax to ensure that we can maintain the society for the overall benefit of all. By not doing so, you freeload off the rest of us:

a. You use the roads built, and maintained with public money;
b. You use the other infrastructue (water, electricity, sewer, etc);
c. You are protected by the police and the military;
d. You are able to avail yourself of the courts, and the protection of the legal system;
e. You are able to avail yourself of the health care system - and will not be turned away even if you show up without cash on hand to pay;
f. Many more benefits.

And by the way, you are mistaken AGAIN about the SIN making you a government employee. It is a registration number and an identifier used by the Crown, and by employers. The two are not necessarily the same (they are for both my jobs, but that is another story). The rules DO apply to you and if/when HMTQ or Her representative so choses, you will find that out.
 
fitzgibbon said:
Wow! Colour me surprised. Bob believes a binary ins tripartite. :rolleyes:

Being resident within the territorial delineation of Canada, you are subject to its laws; ALL its laws. Full stop.

You are making use (by your continued presence here) of the wherewithal of state required to maintain that territorial delineation even if you never leave your squat. Full stop.

Yet you claim to exist outside of the law that governs all that reside within the territorial delineation of Canada. That's called a non-starter. Full stop.

That makes you a Freeloader on the Land. Full Stop. EOM

Fitz
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Statutes are not laws, and not a single law says I have to have a SIN. And if I do not have a SIN, I am not subject to those rules which are only applicable to those who do. Are you claiming there are no rules which are only applicable to those who collect certain benefits, or are eligible for them?

Incidentally since you are such an expert, which law says I have to have a SIN, and associate with those who do, and if I do not I can be ejected from the country? Hm?
And you did not answer my question I posed previously.
If never getting one is not reason to eject someone from Canada, why would giving it up be sufficient reason for the same thing?
 
FreemanMenard said:
Unfortunately for you, not a single one of those is a threat to kill. Do you see the word DEATH? Do you see a threat to kill? THOUGHT NOT. FAIL FOR YOU.

I do not seek (nor have I ever done so) to convince people my claims or beliefs are true. I ask they do their own due diligence and form their own opinions. You on the other had seek to convince them their beliefs are meaningless, because there are people playing the role of judge, or cop, or government agent, whose beliefs do not mesh, and THEY can harm them, so they should abandon their beliefs, lest they suffer at the hands of those who have different beliefs.

So, how you going to get me to associate with a specific number? Care to answer that? Guess not eh? Coward that you are...

People do not act on my teachings. They act on their beliefs. If they act on ANYONES teachings, they are not free. If they act on their beliefs, they can be. If they can defend those beliefs.

Still wondering how YOU or your representatives will get me to associate with a number against my own will.... gonna at least TRY to address that, or will you continue to ignore that and simply try to attack me?

Now as for what the other poster stated... do you honestly expect me to accept as truth what was said by them on an internet forum, whilst they hide their true identity, and change my beliefs due only to that? Seriously?

Chatta woowoo said this! And she pointed to that! Now change how you think!
That is essentially your argument. People who refuse to identify themselves, and hide behind internet anonymity, will not be changing my beliefs. I do not follow cowards. And those who refuse to identify, are cowards.

So now we are back at our original point.
How will YOU or your representatives or government get me to associate with a number and accept it as my own, against my own will?
I have no SIN.

How can you stop that from being the truth?
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Your will is, of course, paramount and shall prevail over all.
 
tsig said:
Your will is, of course, paramount and shall prevail over all.
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When it comes to deciding with whom or what I associate, yes it is. Just like when it comes to whom or what you associate with, your will is paramount. Welcome to a common law jurisdiction.
 
Mojo said:
Yes they are.

No need to go any further with that post.
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Okay for the purposes of this discussion let us assume they are, or at least that you refuse to see it otherwise. Which one says that if I do not have a SIN, I can be ejected from the country?
 
FreemanMenard said:
Statutes are not laws, and not a single law says I have to have a SIN. And if I do not have a SIN, I am not subject to those rules which are only applicable to those who do. Are you claiming there are no rules which are only applicable to those who collect certain benefits, or are eligible for them?
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You live here. You earn monies (or other considerations) for labour (income in the common parlance, Bob). You don't pay taxes and I have to assume that you don't own land as otherwise, you'd be paying property taxes (unless you're claiming incantation has absolved you of that responsibility too).

By residence, you are obliged. Full stop.

Leave and the obligation will end. However, another obligation will likely be required of you. Will you meet it as you ought? There's the rub.

That's what makes you a Freeloader on the land.

FreemanMenard said:
Incidentally since you are such an expert, which law says I have to have a SIN, and associate with those who do, and if I do not I can be ejected from the country? Hm?
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Are you intentionally obtuse or is it a natural gift? I said that you could removed yourself from the country and thus end your obligations thereunder. Kindly link to where I said that you would be ejected.

Much more likely is that you will become an unwilling guest in one our fine prisons, a Freeloader in the pokey if you will. Definitely not a free man in any sense of the word.

Fitz
 
Border Reiver said:
No, Rob, exercise of your rights without undertaking your obligations is what makes you a freeloader. One of the duties of citizenship is to pay your share of tax to ensure that we can maintain the society for the overall benefit of all. By not doing so, you freeload off the rest of us:

a. You use the roads built, and maintained with public money;
b. You use the other infrastructue (water, electricity, sewer, etc);
c. You are protected by the police and the military;
d. You are able to avail yourself of the courts, and the protection of the legal system;
e. You are able to avail yourself of the health care system - and will not be turned away even if you show up without cash on hand to pay;
f. Many more benefits.

And by the way, you are mistaken AGAIN about the SIN making you a government employee. It is a registration number and an identifier used by the Crown, and by employers. The two are not necessarily the same (they are for both my jobs, but that is another story). The rules DO apply to you and if/when HMTQ or Her representative so choses, you will find that out.
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a- I pay for them when I buy gas.
b- Which I pay for as I use them.
c- Please. They have no duty to protect me.
d- Which again must be paid for and generates huge profits for the operators and are open to much abuse.
e- Because that is my right as one of the owners of this country.
f- YOu mean like not being able to decide my own associations?

So where does it say I can be ejected form Canada because I refuse to hacve a SIN.

Care to show me that, or at least admit and agree there is no such thing?
 
Border Reiver said:
No, Rob, exercise of your rights without undertaking your obligations is what makes you a freeloader. One of the duties of citizenship is to pay your share of tax to ensure that we can maintain the society for the overall benefit of all. By not doing so, you freeload off the rest of us:

a. You use the roads built, and maintained with public money;
b. You use the other infrastructue (water, electricity, sewer, etc);
c. You are protected by the police and the military;
d. You are able to avail yourself of the courts, and the protection of the legal system;
e. You are able to avail yourself of the health care system - and will not be turned away even if you show up without cash on hand to pay;
f. Many more benefits.

And by the way, you are mistaken AGAIN about the SIN making you a government employee. It is a registration number and an identifier used by the Crown, and by employers. The two are not necessarily the same (they are for both my jobs, but that is another story). The rules DO apply to you and if/when HMTQ or Her representative so choses, you will find that out.
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a- I pay for them when I buy gas.
b- Which I pay for as I use them.
c- Please. They have no duty to protect me.
d- Which again must be paid for and generates huge profits for the operators and are open to much abuse.
e- Because that is my right as one of the owners of this country.
f- YOu mean like not being able to decide my own associations?

So where does it say I can be ejected form Canada because I refuse to have a SIN.

Care to show me that, or at least admit and agree there is no such thing?
 
FreemanMenard said:
So as an expert on the Canadian legal system, it is your opinion, we do not have a right of association, (which implies a right to not associate) and me claiming that we do is not plausible to you? Is that right?


Tell me when did we lose our right of association? (assuming we did)
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Where did you get it?
 
Border Reiver said:
No, Rob, exercise of your rights without undertaking your obligations is what makes you a freeloader. One of the duties of citizenship is to pay your share of tax to ensure that we can maintain the society for the overall benefit of all. By not doing so, you freeload off the rest of us:

a. You use the roads built, and maintained with public money;
b. You use the other infrastructue (water, electricity, sewer, etc);
c. You are protected by the police and the military;
d. You are able to avail yourself of the courts, and the protection of the legal system;
e. You are able to avail yourself of the health care system - and will not be turned away even if you show up without cash on hand to pay;
f. Many more benefits.

And by the way, you are mistaken AGAIN about the SIN making you a government employee. It is a registration number and an identifier used by the Crown, and by employers. The two are not necessarily the same (they are for both my jobs, but that is another story). The rules DO apply to you and if/when HMTQ or Her representative so choses, you will find that out.
Click to expand...

a- I pay for them when I buy gas.
b- Which I pay for as I use them.
c- Please. They have no duty to protect me.
d- Which again must be paid for and generates huge profits for the operators and are open to much abuse.
e- Because that is my right as one of the owners of this country.
f- YOu mean like not being able to decide my own associations?

So where does it say I can be ejected form Canada because I refuse to have a SIN.

Care to show me that, or at least admit and agree there is no such thing?
 
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