Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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Did I stutter?
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Wel, they aren't legally yours, certainly.
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Sorry, that's just proof of your willingness to let someone else foot the bill, assuming you are not also spinning tall tales about that document which says that it's okay which despite being asked for several times is spectacularly missing from the discussion.
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No, I have not.

I have pointed out that a legal benefit has fruit of which you are taking advantage of, whether or not you "consent" to that legal benefit.

Even if you personally have created your very own personal infrastructure from naturally occurring materials you have gathered from non-public lands with your own hands and refined, manufactured and deployed it -- your connection to this board is using the more traditional type, making your use of it in part dependent on the taxes other people have paid.

And one notes that you have skipped rather obviously over things like the airport (whose services you *tried* to advantage of and were prevented) and the court system of which you also took advantage.
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No, your has not been.
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...and TAOILHTN.

What's that question that has been being asked since page one of this thread? The one you have yet to do more than *make up* stories about onstead of answering?

Gee, if there were only a way for us to easily determine that sort of thing -- you know, some sort of announcement that goes near the top of the thread?
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I do not require a SIN to use the sidewalks or internet or roads or other infrastructure. I do however if I wished to access welfare, employment insurance and Canada Pension Plan. Therefore those three are legal benefits of having a SIN, and the use of the infrastructure is not.
 
So he does in fact have one.
Sorry Charlie.

PS- I accept that IF I voluntarily signed and submitted an application for a SIN and maintained an association with that number as he did, I would be bound by that Act, as he is. The question is whether we are obliged to apply, sign and submit and maintain an association with that number.
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Rob, you do have a SIN, you just choose to ignore the fact that you have one, you served in the armed forces of Canada, Im pretty sure you had a SIN then and as such you have one now., you just pretend you dont have one.
Fundamental freedoms

2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:
(a) freedom of conscience and religion;
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;
(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and
(d) freedom of association.
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Your freedom of association is granted and protected by statute you do not have the luxury of that benefit if you do not accept government benefits.

By your own argument you are debunked again.
 
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Oh and Rob, you have in the past stated that you are in fact Canadian.

Doesnt that label you as part of a group of people who inhabit Canada and as such are a society of people?
As you are a part of that group dont you think its the honourable thing to do to contribute to that group?
 
FreemanMenard said:
I do not require a SIN to use the sidewalks or internet or roads or other infrastructure. I do however if I wished to access welfare, employment insurance and Canada Pension Plan. Therefore those three are legal benefits of having a SIN, and the use of the infrastructure is not.
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Who is paying for the sidewalk you walk on and the road you drive on?
 
If they did not need us to sign and submit applications, why not just assign them without us having any choice at all?
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Which is what happens where I live. Could you add another daft disclaimer to your crap saying this please.

ETA: "They" clearly don't "need" you to sign or submit applications, it is just how the system works where you live.
 
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and the road you drive on?
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To be fair, he doesnt drive on the roads, hes afraid to without having to get a license, road tax and insurance, and if he did that he would debunk his own argument again.
He is however, happy being a passenger in someone elses car who has complied with the laws that govern the roads.

Its called a free ride, something he is all too familiar with.
 
I get the mental image of Robert-Arthur Menard, eating at someone else's table, then passing on paying the bill because he generously waives the benefit of the little mint candy they give with it (and also because he rejects the title of "table 9").
 
FreemanMenard said:
I do not require a SIN to use the sidewalks or internet or roads or other infrastructure.
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No, just to pay for your share in them.

But you are content to let others make that investment but then personally reap that investment's benefits.
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I do however if I wished to access welfare, employment insurance and Canada Pension Plan.
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Or the courts. Or the airport. Or police protection. Or military protection. Funny how you keep ducking those benefits, which you (again) are content to let everyone else pay for while you sit back and freeload.
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Therefore those three are legal benefits of having a SIN, and the use of the infrastructure is not.
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The *use* of that infrastructure may not be, but its creation and maintenance you most certainly benefit from.

Just because, let's say, Rob's Pig Farm does not have a very good fence around it does not mean that it is legal, moral or fair for me to climb over and take one of those pigs for my own use -- even if Rob does not notice that it has happened.
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Lets say someone decides to stop Rob from associating with others, they do this by assigning someone to follow him around and if need be chuck him in the boot of a car if he tries to talk to anyone.

Now as Rob claims the right of freedom of association how is he going to excercise this right without using something that is provided by the government of Canada?
He cant go to the police because they are funded by people with a SIN.

SO ROB, HOW DO YOU ASSOCIATE WITH OTHERS IF SOMEONE DECIDES TO STOP YOU WHILST STAYING LOYAL TO YOUR MORAL CODE?
 
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To be fair, he doesnt drive on the roads, hes afraid to without having to get a license, road tax and insurance, and if he did that he would debunk his own argument again.
He is however, happy being a passenger in someone elses car who has complied with the laws that govern the roads.

Its called a free ride, something he is all too familiar with.
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Even when riding with someone else he's still benefiting form the whole infrastructure, roads, bridges, the fact that everyone drives on the same side of the road, and many others plus, unless the person he's riding with is a freeman, it seems hypocritical to take advantage of the fact that someone else was a willing victim of the system.
 
Bobby boy has access, albeit not as a “lawyer”, to the courts and the law. He, in fact, has made his little career by pestering the Canadian courts with his freeman woo . . .then he tells us he doesn’t benefit form Canadian society .

One more case of Bobby wanting it both ways.
 
Robs moral compass hovers over a rotating magnet.

He twists and turns and treads on his own ideas and theories as long as it suits his agenda at the time, his total lack of consistency is staggering.

Unfortunately he is totally blind to anything anyone says, he ignores evidence and all he comes back with is "its because I say so", the guy has unfortunately become a forum troll.
His decline from freeman guru to shambling wreak has been strangely watchable though.
 
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Robs moral compass hovers over a rotating magnet.

He twists and turns and treads on his own ideas and theories as long as it suits his agenda at the time, his total lack of consistency is staggering...
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“When you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS.”
-From page one of "How to be a guru of nonsense"
 
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After making a mess of trespass laws here
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7931682&postcount=4731
Menard seems to be asking his followers to do his work for him so he can brush up.
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=12521
It took one of them 2 and a half hours to find it for him. :)
I hope he doesn't come back believing he is armed with a point.
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I looks like Bobby and his ever faithful canine companion, Kannler, are working themselves up to provide either:

1) A justification for some freeman stooge misbehaving in court;

or

2) Some twisted justification for a C3PO posse messing with a real cop who tells some freeman to move along lest he get charged with trespass.

Either way we can be certain that neither one will actually "do the deed" since Bobby just ain’t got what it takes and ninjaboy is too busy stealing wifi from the back of his van.
 
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