Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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And said evil Canadian government will not care in the slightest if you decide to move away from Canada, never come back or take citizenship with another country......
 
Today in FOTL fantasy land I learned that the capacity of government is limited by the capacity of a single individual. I guess this means that if the government can do something that I personally can't do, then the government is illegitimate.

What a great political philosophy. Totally workable too. So, if a government can only do what an individual can do, then the question arises...which individual? Everyone has different capacities. For example, I can't speak French. I guess this means that that bilingual bastard in Ottawa, Stephen Harper, is an illegitimate tyrant. How dare he govern in two languages when I can only speak one!

But if a government only has my powers, it's a pretty crappy government. Maybe the government should have Chuck Norris' powers. He's pretty badass.

Actually, Chuck Norris is a douchebag, so maybe that's not such a good idea.

Hmmm...this is harder than I thought. How about if the government could do everything that Wayne Rooney can do? Did you see that overhead volley he scored a few months ago? It would be pretty bitchen if Wayne Rooney could delegate his mad skills to the government. Who wouldn't want a government that could do that? Instead of question period in the House of Commons, we could just have a Cup tie between the Tories and the NDP. Awesome.

But I can't do overhead volleys. If I can't do it, how can my representative do it on my behalf? Menard has taught me that that would plainly be overstepping the bounds of legitimate authority. I'm confused!

I guess we'll just have to adapt to a world of 7 billion sovereign individuals where each and every individual's authority trumps each and every other individual's authority unless each and every individual consents to the particulars of each and every initiative/project/proposal/action, etc. that anyone wants to undertake on behalf of all of us or some of us ever. And then only if that initiative/project/proposal/action, etc. doesn't constitute something beyond the capacity of each and every affected individual to do for themselves.

That'll work.
 
I said their powers cannot be inflated past what you could give them.
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But couldnt I just give them any powers I like?
Your statement gives me carte blanche to allow them to do anything, it doesnt actually validate any point you are making, but then again your posts seldom make a point.
 
Rob, you want an example of someone governing you without your consent?

Remember when the guys used to tip you upside down and dunk your head down the toilet at school?

Thats one.
 
D'rok said:
I guess we'll just have to adapt to a world of 7 billion sovereign individuals where each and every individual's authority trumps each and every other individual's authority unless each and every individual consents to the particulars of each and every initiative/project/proposal/action, etc. that anyone wants to undertake on behalf of all of us or some of us ever. And then only if that initiative/project/proposal/action, etc. doesn't constitute something beyond the capacity of each and every affected individual to do for themselves.

That'll work.
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He's ignored it before, and he'll likely ignore it again, but what I said before is true: the powers of government are an emergent phenomenon of large groups of people. It's a simple fact, observable in a multitude of real-world examples, that large collections of relatively simple objects can have properties that no one individual in that collection has.

Can an individual human cell run a marathon? No, but a whole lot of them working together can.

Can an individual groove in a piece of glass produce a hologram? No, but a whole lot of them with the correct spacings can.

Does an individual atom have a colour? No, but a whole lot of them together do.

Can an individual molecule of water form the Grand Canyon? No, but a whole lot of them together can.

We could list dozens of other examples.

And Government, or indeed, any organization of human activity, is one such example. A single man could not build the Pyramids, or dig the Panama Canal, or put a man on the Moon, but groups of men did do all of those things.
 
Horatius said:
He's ignored it before, and he'll likely ignore it again, but what I said before is true: the powers of government are an emergent phenomenon of large groups of people. It's a simple fact, observable in a multitude of real-world examples, that large collections of relatively simple objects can have properties that no one individual in that collection has.
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Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer Simpson Robert-Arthur: Menard.
 
FreemanMenard said:
And these people you elect/hire/engage have powers you did not? How does that work?

See beren elections is how you appoint someone to act on your behalf. It does not give them powers you never had to give in the first place.

DUH.
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As a group we all got together and decided that the officials we either elect to represent us in the legislative branch, or the officials we hire to carry out certain functions will have the necessary and defined powers to carry out the jobs we select them to do.

It's that whole representative democracy thing, you may recall it from your social studies classes from school. Or did you skip those years? (Sorry, not consent to attend?)
 
PS Glad to see you back on Ickes getting a drubbing.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthrea...=195978&page=9 [/QUOTE}

That devastating put down of Menard's lies is great - we should enshrine that somewhere so when he comes around asking for proof that he spouting lies and misrepresentation we can just slap that down....

...that brings up another question; what does a conman do when his con has been exposed? It would appear that the next logical step for him would be to 'get out of town' and go somewhere else and try a different con - why is Menard not doing that?
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Hans said:
...that brings up another question; what does a conman do when his con has been exposed? It would appear that the next logical step for him would be to 'get out of town' and go somewhere else and try a different con - why is Menard not doing that?
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Because, thanks to the internet, there is no other town to go to?
 
...that brings up another question; what does a conman do when his con has been exposed? It would appear that the next logical step for him would be to 'get out of town' and go somewhere else and try a different con - why is Menard not doing that?
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Simple, he switches websites.
Unfortunately for him no one believes him anymore, can you believe he has his own website (WFS) and doesn't even post on it.
He would rather come here??????
He used to have people hanging on his every word, now he's just a forum troll.
 
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He's trying to make a return to Icke's, but his credibility's shot there, even among the freemen. Most of the new ones there seem to understand that the government doesn't care about it, but are arguing that it should.
 
Horatius said:
He's ignored it before, and he'll likely ignore it again, but what I said before is true: the powers of government are an emergent phenomenon of large groups of people. It's a simple fact, observable in a multitude of real-world examples, that large collections of relatively simple objects can have properties that no one individual in that collection has.

Can an individual human cell run a marathon? No, but a whole lot of them working together can.

Can an individual groove in a piece of glass produce a hologram? No, but a whole lot of them with the correct spacings can.

Does an individual atom have a colour? No, but a whole lot of them together do.

Can an individual molecule of water form the Grand Canyon? No, but a whole lot of them together can.

We could list dozens of other examples.

And Government, or indeed, any organization of human activity, is one such example. A single man could not build the Pyramids, or dig the Panama Canal, or put a man on the Moon, but groups of men did do all of those things.
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Can a deuce beat an ace? No, but two of them can...
 
I must share this nugget from Menard, its about his court order to stop him pretending hes a lawyer.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060528682&postcount=164
When I became aware of that order I called both the law society and the Supreme Court. I asked them if they wished to identify Robert Arthur Menard the Freeman on the Land as the one affected by that order. The Law Society did not. Same with the court.
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Maybe its because there is no such individual as Robert Arthur Menard, Freeman on the land and the reason for that is "freeman on the land" isnt on the order because it doesnt exist.

Also I have doubts as to the fact they would actually admit anything to a stranger on the phone in the first place.
 
By the way, he has already admitted the case was him, he just didnt pay the costs.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5964582&postcount=3244

And for the one who wanted a court case research Law Society of British Columbia v Robert Arthur Menard and see how the court ruled when the Law Society tired to secure payment of court costs and a contempt of court charge against me as they were awarded in the court case Asky keeps harping about. They were awarded costs. Look at what happened when they tried to secure payment from me. Their number is easily found on the web too! Ask them about that case.
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PS, I know Rob will be itching to counter that post but he cant, because he previously wrote
For the record, I have changed my bookmarks so it now directs to the sing in directly. It used to direct to the forum immediately, which meant I could see the posting of those I have on ignore, until I logged on.

I now will not be able to even see if JB or others I have on ignore are online or not, nor will I be able to read their postings.

I will know they have posted, but not be able to tell if they are on line. Or not.
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So he either leaves it unchallenged or admits to another lie.
PS Hello Rob ;)
 
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He can no longer hear anyone who calls him out on his bs.... honest.

By the power of his mighty "iggy bin" his fingers have been rammed further into his ears and the "la la la" becomes louder.

His bs is annoyingly stupid at the best of times, but now that he is getting upset and his only debating skill is to repeat his lies louder it's quite vomit-inducing.

He can't keep up with his own lies and contradicts himself when he loses the plot a little more.

The utter poo he is yelling about Lance and about the Law Society in the thread over at stupid-club atm is just cringe-worthy.

So he plays his "iggy bin" card and recommends people go to WFS!
...a dead place where the five remaining delusional potheads talk nonsense to each other!

Embarrassing to watch tbh.
 
So he plays his "iggy bin" card and recommends people go to WFS!
...a dead place where the five remaining delusional potheads talk nonsense to each other!

Embarrassing to watch tbh.
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Oh dear, hes been put on warning again over on Ickes :D
He's trying to dredge the bottom of the barrel and get the most idiotic people who still have not fully cottoned on to his scam and get them over to WFS and for them to discuss with the loons on there.
Its an ideal breeding ground and "idiot filter" over on WFS, if someone can "fit in" on WFS then they can be pretty much moulded to do anything.

PS The fact hes on warning on Ickes increases his chances of returning here :(
 
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