Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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PS Now you are reading my posts care to address this one?
You asked for an example of you governing someone without their consent, I wrote

Yes, I stole your logo from the World Freeman Society and you got it taken of my site by using statutory legislation and as such you governed me without my consent.

Is that enough proof for you?
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Yes, I stole your logo from the World Freeman Society and you got it taken of my site by using statutory legislation and as such you governed me without my consent.

Is that enough proof for you?
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As seen above and elsewhere* the only proof presented so far is very much against FMOTL waffle.

*Mostly links to court decisions.
 
FreemanMenard said:
It was a West Vancouver cop. Yes it happened, but I did not record it. What would you suggest for proof?
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If the officer looked on his computer and found an entry indicating that you were a freeman or that you don't consent to laws or that you are immune from punishment, whatever it says would appear on your police record with the West Vancouver police. So while it wouldn't prove the exact words that were said at that time, getting a police clearance done and producing a copy of the police records showing this entry would prove a substantial aspect of your claim, and one that most poeple here disagree with.

If your status appears in west Vancouver I would assume that it would appear on the police records of any other police force. So you could go to RCMP or wherever you happen to be and get the documentation and produce it here. I would suggest you do this because the debate isn't going anywhere until you come up with something. People are just going to keep asking for proof. Either this, or produce the records that you said you had earlier. The ones that you have in your possession but they weren't currently with you at the time.

Until then, I don't know what you expect skeptical people to say? They are numerous cases that have been posted contrary to your claims that you are unable or unwilling to explain. And you are not able to post anything in support of your claims. So with lots of evidence against, and zero evidence for, I don't know how you could reasonably expect to convince a forum of skeptics that you are right?
 
FreemanMenard said:
As a matter of fact I am meeting this week with a group of people who have discharge significant demands, and are looking at discharging their mortgages.

Have a great day!
PS- It's my birthday! :D
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here is your golden opportunity to provide solid evidence of your claims.
please, keep us posted as this process progresses, up to the ultimate goal of actually having their mortgages discharged.

once you have conclusively proven to your naysayers in this forum, that your stuff works, your little movement can sweep the world.
i look forward to your vindication.
 
Speaking of evidence, a letter from the Canadian Department of Finance provides yet more evidence that one of Rob's claims (his A4V yarn in particular) is patently untrue:

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=12033

Here is the content of the letter (a copy of which is available at the above link):

Department of Finance
Canada

Dear Mr. Simpson,

Thank you for your correspondence of November 3, 2011.

Please be aware that there are a number of internet websites and blogs that are generating and spreading myths about Canadians being able to receive money from the Government of Canada, or have their debts settled, by submitting their birth certificate and/or utility bills to the Government. These claims are completely false.

For more information on dealing with consumer debt, contact the Financial Consumer Agency of Canada at 1-866-461-3222, or visit www.fcac-acfc.gc.ca.

Thank you for writing.

Sincerely,

N. Gauthier
A/Head
Departmental Correspondence Unit
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bikerdruid said:
here is your golden opportunity to provide solid evidence of your claims.
please, keep us posted as this process progresses, up to the ultimate goal of actually having their mortgages discharged.

once you have conclusively proven to your naysayers in this forum, that your stuff works, your little movement can sweep the world.
i look forward to your vindication.
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ROFLMAO!

You think I need to prove to you folks first? What if I don't. How are you and your handful of naysayers going to stop me?

hahahahahaha
 
FreemanMenard said:
ROFLMAO!

You think I need to prove to you folks first? What if I don't. How are you and your handful of naysayers going to stop me?

hahahahahaha
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How are we going to stop you...from not providing proof? :confused: You don't have to provide proof if you don't want to. But then there's really no point in bothering to engage us on this topic, because we aren't going to accept your words as valid evidence of freeman law working.
 
Rob wrote
How are you and your handful of naysayers going to stop me?
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I and a few others have pretty much put a stop to your internet activities over the last 12 months (in a way its sort of governing you without your consent, unless you consented to stop posting on forums selling your wares ;)), you used to be quite a prolific forum poster and video maker, that has sort of dried up in the last few months.
Oh sure you will always snag the odd one but your trawler nets are now so full of holes most get through the gaps.
 
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You think I need to prove to you folks first?
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Thats just it though Rob, you dont prove it to anyone be it friend or foe, I asked you and others of your ilk genuine questions when I first stumbled across FMOTL and was either asked to do my own research or abused (you did both) thats why I decided to do my best to expose and destroy it.

Its pretty much dead now Rob, just go back two years and look at the freeman forums, they were busy places with regular postings and debates.
They are now all "ghost towns" with a few crazies still hanging about shouting "I dont consent", "maritime law", "stand under", etc, etc

Even the WFS site only has around 30 members and the forum is policed by rabid halfwits.

Heres another idea for you Rob
http://www.thesecretofinvisibility.com/

Also some comments from satisfied customers
Can you see me? No? i'm invisible!!! OK just received it, everything excellent!! Buyer: panicos ( 34) Oct-21-08 00:23

i can see this is going to work, never slept better since learning... Buyer: gee*4 ( 90) Sep-28-08 10:05

Still haven't had the chance to practise but looking good. Thanks +++ Buyer: sarahmsqt ( 308) Aug-08-08 17:32
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People will fall for anything Rob.
PS you dont need to order the book you will have disappeared in a few months anyway.
 
JLord said:
You must care to some degree because you are attempting to respond to posts. If you literally didn't care at all then your posts would make no mention of the positions of others and would it would be a totally one sided lecture. So at least to that degree you must care enough about what others post in order to respond to a post. You may not care very much what anyone else thinks but any dialogue is impossible if one party is literally indifferent to what the other says.

Also remember that this forum is read by people who are not members and do not post. I would assume it is read by people who are very sympathetic to your views who may be looking for more information. It might not look good (for people other than those on this forum) to simply leave the conversation in a state where the only evidence is lined up in one direction against you. Expecially when you either have have evidence already or could easily get it. At least countering with some evidence would leave the neutral observer with something to go on either way.
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Well, I think I will retract my statement. You often bring very valuable opinions, and I appreciate your posts. Those detractors who perspectives I do not share I also to a certain degree appreciate, for it helps me see the opposing view. What I do not care about is those who can only insult and denigrate and mock. Those opinions I do not care about. That is what I meant. I also still hold that I do not need anyone here to agree with me, before I can spread these beliefs.


Have a great day. I need to prepare for an interview. You know, sharing my beliefs with the world without the people here agreeing with me first.
 
FreemanMenard said:
I also still hold that I do not need anyone here to agree with me, before I can spread these beliefs.
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This is true, but I don't think beliefs will spread very far if you are hoping for people to accept them without evidence and in the face of evidence to the contrary. Of course there will always be those who want to believe, or are stuck in a desperate situation and feel this is their last chance. Even for these people I think it is best to be honest with them about the failings of your theories. If you are genuine in your beliefs (which I believe you are) then there should be no reason for any deception or concealing of facts.
 
You often bring very valuable opinions, and I appreciate your posts.
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and yet you ignore them Rob, he is still waiting for you to address the court case references you promised to read.
jlord however is to polite to remind you, I on the other hand am not.

Show some respect for someone who has been tolerant enough to ignore all your rudeness and insults

Get to it Menard.
 
Its pretty much dead now Rob, just go back two years and look at the freeman forums, they were busy places with regular postings and debates.
They are now all "ghost towns" with a few crazies still hanging about shouting "I dont consent", "maritime law", "stand under", etc, etc

Even the WFS site only has around 30 members and the forum is policed by rabid halfwits.
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So you know when I am not logged in I can read your posts, when I am I can't. Since I did read this one I will reply.

Dead eh?

Here is the body of an email I recently received:
Hi Rob,


I hope you are well.

Myself and my colleague, Adrienne Arsenault, are trying to learn as much as we can about the Freeman on the Land movement. We hear that it's really growing, especially in Ontario, and we'd like to do a story about its growth.

I see from your website and YouTube channel that you are traveling around the country giving talks. It seems like the Freeman ideas have a lot of appeal, especially with the huge economic problems the world is facing right now. We'd really like to hear more and we're hoping that you'll teach us.

Can we chat? Are you near Toronto this week or next week? That's where our office is.

Thanks so much, Robert.

Talk soon,
Lysanne

Lysanne Louter
Producer, The National
CBC TV


Yea sure sounds dead to me. That is why I will be on The National very shortly.

The fact is this is exploding, and just cause you do not see it happening on a handful of forums does not mean people are not talking about it in the cafe's, schools and offices.

Every two months or so you trot out your tired "It's dead in the water" routine, only to be proven wrong once again....
 
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