Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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Oh ye of little faith. He's obviously got a massive force ready to go. Otherwise, why would have said this in July of last year:

A freeman wouldn't lie, being all about honour and such. So this must be true!

Maybe the laminating machine broke and he hasn't managed to get all their ID badges done yet.

he claimed to be 'hiring thousands of peace officers'?
'hiring' denotes 'paying'.

wow...i think that menard started all of his FOTL stuff, he had honest intentions.
as he has discovered it is all absolute nonsense, he has resorted to fleecing the public.
 
he claimed to be 'hiring thousands of peace officers'?
'hiring' denotes 'paying'.

wow...i think that menard started all of his FOTL stuff, he had honest intentions.
as he has discovered it is all absolute nonsense, he has resorted to fleecing the public.
Actually, I think that in this case, as in every other case, "hiring" means "send Rob Menard a donation". I really don't think honesty has ever factored into any of it. Unless you count his victims. Some of them honestly fell for his lies.
 
A two-fer, nice! And we'll probably get a trifecta, when they resist arrest....
 
Thank you D'rok, that is fine information. It would seem Menard is directing a forlorn hope (but led by someone else of couse, wink wink) into a cul de sac of misery.
 
Hell, not counting the reserves, it rivals the Army.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Army

Although we're having a good laugh at Menard's C3P0 plan (and rightfully so), this is actually the most plausible FMOTL idea yet. If Menard were somehow successful, and were able to arm and train his 20,000 (well, would probably need to make it more like 100,000 in order to account for combination of reserves and regular army and police forces), he might actually have a proper rebellion on his hands (rather than just an imaginary "lawful rebellion".)

EDIT TO ADD: Of course this ignores the fact that Menard has reprehensibly told the unwitting soldiers of his militia that this civil war will magically have no battles and no bloodshed. Instead, the government will happily sit back and watch the revolution unfold.
 
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Although we're having a good laugh at Menard's C3P0 plan (and rightfully so), this is actually the most plausible FMOTL idea yet. If Menard were somehow successful, and were able to arm and train his 20,000 (well, would probably need to make it more like 100,000 in order to account for combination of reserves and regular army and police forces), he might actually have a proper rebellion on his hands (rather than just an imaginary "lawful rebellion".)



Yeah, but that would require them to actually do more than just be pains in various asses.
 
Thank you D'rok, that is fine information. It would seem Menard is directing a forlorn hope (but led by someone else of couse, wink wink) into a cul de sac of misery.

You mean this?

A forlorn hope is a band of soldiers or other combatants chosen to take the leading part in a military operation, such as an assault on a defended position, where the risk of casualties is high.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forlorn_hope
 
Although we're having a good laugh at Menard's C3P0 plan (and rightfully so), this is actually the most plausible FMOTL idea yet. If Menard were somehow successful, and were able to arm and train his 20,000 (well, would probably need to make it more like 100,000 in order to account for combination of reserves and regular army and police forces), he might actually have a proper rebellion on his hands (rather than just an imaginary "lawful rebellion".)

EDIT TO ADD: Of course this ignores the fact that Menard has reprehensibly told the unwitting soldiers of his militia that this civil war will magically have no battles and no bloodshed. Instead, the government will happily sit back and watch the revolution unfold.
Why does Menard want to be a Peace officer? he doesn't have any other work so why would he be any use at this kind of work? I think it's the uniform. He wants to be free but he likes the uniform. I feel sorry for him actually. I used to think he was a con man but it's such a rubbish con that he can't possibly make any money so it must be cause he's delusional. He must actually believe that he is the Messiah making plans to lead the freemanlites to the promised land. Maybe he is a prophet? Like all other prophets they just make stuff up so it's an easy gig to set up. All you need are a few followers and he does have a few followers, maybe not the whole 12 disciples but enough to form a freeman boyband. They could be called Take That (for free) or New Kids on the Land or The Bay City Dolers or The Menard 5 with their classic 'Ain't Nothing Like The Real Thing' stuff like that.
 
Thank you D'rok, that is fine information. It would seem Menard is directing a forlorn hope (but led by someone else of couse, wink wink) into a cul de sac of misery.
I would look forward to his first attempt to "arrest" a police officer, but, as we all know, it will never be him in the firing line. No dollars in that.
 
I would look forward to his first attempt to "arrest" a police officer, but, as we all know, it will never be him in the firing line. No dollars in that.

a lemming with a parachute springs to mind.
 
We all know how this is going to pan out - FMPO (Freeman Peace Officer) attempts to arrest an actual Police Officer for whatever excuse the FMPO thinks of.

Actual Police Officer looks at "badge" and goes, "Look, I'm kind of busy with this other dude right now. Come on down to the station house with me, and after I've processed this guy you and I can sort this out."

FMPO does, and is arrested at the station and charged with the offences outlined by D'rok (at a minimum).

FMPO is astounded that his status is not recognized.

Rob opines that our hero consented to the jurisdiction of the actual police by entering the station house and regrettably Rob has no way of correcting this and this arrest is regrettable but is not a reflection on the effectiveness of the FMPO, of whom thousands are out there doing their jobs everyday. Also, there's this judge that spoke with Rob and thought his ideas were neat.
 
We all know how this is going to pan out - FMPO (Freeman Peace Officer) attempts to arrest an actual Police Officer for whatever excuse the FMPO thinks of.

Actual Police Officer looks at "badge" and goes, "Look, I'm kind of busy with this other dude right now. Come on down to the station house with me, and after I've processed this guy you and I can sort this out."

FMPO does, and is arrested at the station and charged with the offences outlined by D'rok (at a minimum).

FMPO is astounded that his status is not recognized.

Rob opines that our hero consented to the jurisdiction of the actual police by entering the station house and regrettably Rob has no way of correcting this and this arrest is regrettable but is not a reflection on the effectiveness of the FMPO, of whom thousands are out there doing their jobs everyday. Also, there's this judge that spoke with Rob and thought his ideas were neat.

First of all, it is not a Freeman Police Force, but a force of peace officers, some Freemen, some not.
It is not a militia.
They are hired and make oath to preserve and maintain the public peace with the oath administered by a JJP, and recognized by the court BEFORE they do anything.

The process of arrest would be as follows.
- A couple of CCCPO Officers wearing suitable clothing identifying themselves as peace officers, are armed with recorder, video camera, pen and notebook.
- Witnessing a transgression by an offending police officer, they record it from a distance which does not obstruct the officer in doing what he thinks is his job.
-If the offending officer tries to seize the equipment, or stop the CCCPO Officer from doing their duty, they face further charges for that, with those actions recorded by the second CCCPO Officer.

- Additionally, as the police know they are dealing with someone who has sworn to preserve the peace, and is recognized by the courts as peace officers, they are less likely to employ violence fearfully or try to hinder or obstruct the recording process.
-The CCCPO officer takes the evidence forthwith to a Judge, and swears out an information, showing sufficient evidence to support the Judge endorsing an arrest warrant for the offending officer.
-The CCCPO Officer takes this to the offending officer’s CO and places the liability to arrest upon the CO.
-The CO calls the officer before him, and affects the arrest.
-The offending Officer goes through the prosecution process like any other would for the same crimes.

The only thing we are really doing is observing and recording with the protection afforded by peace officer status, and bringing private prosecutions just like any citizen can, with the exception that once again we are operating as peace offices, with the greater level of believability that affords.

If you guys weren't so quick to denigrate, deride and mock, maybe you could learn something. At the very least you could learn HOW we plan to affect arrests, but I guess that is less fun for you lot than raising strawmen and knocking them down.

Oh and incidentally, said Peace Officer status has already been recognized and accepted by a certain provincial police force, and the courts. Someone has already effected an arrest, and identified themselves as a peace officer to the police, they accepted it and the documents they gave to the court recognize that.

Peace eh?
:D

PS- Should now knowing this not make you all happy? It is information you did not have before, and your ignorance of it was making you look stupid. Knowing we are not going off half cocked or bringing violence, and that the peace officer status is already recognized, does that make you happy?

PPS- The process described was suggested by a lawyer who has successfully used it to secure the arrest of a police officer before.
 
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First of all, it is not a Freeman Police Force, but a force of peace officers, some Freemen, some not.
It is not a militia.
They are hired and make oath to preserve and maintain the public peace with the oath administered by a JJP, and recognized by the court BEFORE they do anything.

The process of arrest would be as follows.
- A couple of CCCPO Officers wearing suitable clothing identifying themselves as peace officers, are armed with recorder, video camera, pen and notebook.
- Witnessing a transgression by an offending police officer, they record it from a distance which does not obstruct the officer in doing what he thinks is his job.
-If the offending officer tries to seize the equipment, or stop the CCCPO Officer from doing their duty, they face further charges for that, with those actions recorded by the second CCCPO Officer.

- Additionally, as the police know they are dealing with someone who has sworn to preserve the peace, and is recognized by the courts as peace officers, they are less likely to employ violence fearfully or try to hinder or obstruct the recording process.
-The CCCPO officer takes the evidence forthwith to a Judge, and swears out an information, showing sufficient evidence to support the Judge endorsing an arrest warrant for the offending officer.
-The CCCPO Officer takes this to the offending officer’s CO and places the liability to arrest upon the CO.
-The CO calls the officer before him, and affects the arrest.
-The offending Officer goes through the prosecution process like any other would for the same crimes.

The only thing we are really doing is observing and recording with the protection afforded by peace officer status, and bringing private prosecutions just like any citizen can, with the exception that once again we are operating as peace offices, with the greater level of believability that affords.

If you guys weren't so quick to denigrate, deride and mock, maybe you could learn something. At the very least you could learn HOW we plan to affect arrests, but I guess that is less fun for you lot than raising strawmen and knocking them down.

Oh and incidentally, said Peace Officer status has already been recognized and accepted by a certain provincial police force, and the courts. Someone has already effected an arrest, and identified themselves as a peace officer to the police, they accepted it and the documents they gave to the court recognize that.

Peace eh?
:D

PS- Should now knowing this not make you all happy? It is information you did not have before, and your ignorance of it was making you look stupid. Knowing we are not going off half cocked or bringing violence, and that the peace officer status is already recognized, does that make you happy?

PPS- The process described was suggested by a lawyer who has successfully used it to secure the arrest of a police officer before.

why?
how does this it the mold of the FOTL movement?
 
No, Rob it doesn't make me happy as it is light on what might be considered supporting information:

JJP: What is this acronym stand for? Or did you just hit the J button once too many times?

Which provincial police force? Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland? The others use the Mounties.

Where did this alleged arrest take place? When?

Are these FPOs only concerned with alleged transgressions by other POs or are they dealing with other offences against public order?
 
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