Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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I think this whole valley thing needs to be put into perspective imo.

Whether or not Menard has obtained, (bought I suspect), his little alottment is not relevant. He has paid for it, and all the goods and services he needs to survive, with money scammed from gullible fools.

Hence my having no problem in labeling him what he is... a conman.

Freedom Valley Rebooted will scarcely support one person, forget about his new-age community bollocks. But why would this concern him? ... It doesn't, he has fleeced his flock and knows full well he can pop out and give another "for comedic value only" scam-performance at any time.

The guy is a paranoid nutjob who, like all the FOTLs and SOVS, are incapable of claiming responsibilty for their own crimes and errors.

//Apologies for any typos, I'm on a new PlayBook
 
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Robby Retard wrote in an email to JB:

More accurately millions love the ideas presented
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"More accurately"?
How can he know the figure runs into millions?
Has he counted these voices of approval?

Add "liar" to con man or clown
 
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Here just read his latest offering
I wrote to him
Get back clearing the land and stop wasting time sending me e-mails, you are so full of it its laughable.
I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out you were just clearing someones yard for them.

Im not going to bore everyone will all your nonsense, why dont you just come over and state your case.
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he responded with
Because its a complete waste of time. Why would I care what closed minded people believe anyway? You think what happens on such forums have any bearing what so ever?

I own outright 17 acres of prime woodland. Am also looking at another plot of 7 acres which has a well and is better situated for winter living. My cabin is all designed and I have the tools and half the materials. So it is all coming together nicely!

How about you? Do you live on your own land or not?
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17 acres bought from the sale of DVDs and idiotic seminars.
Surely the men and women of WFS are entitled to live on his land, after all they helped him buy it.
I will wager his cabin "design" is just a drawing on a fag packet.
 
Stacey Grove said:
Robby Retard wrote in an email to JB:

"More accurately"?
How can he know the figure runs into millions?
Has he counted these voices of approval?

Add "liar" to con man or clown
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Nevermind that the guesstimate is likely off by a few hundred thousands. He's counting anybody who vaguely agrees with the idea as agreeing with him personally, even though this is an old concept that he brought absolutely nothing new to (David Lindsay from Alberta has been trying it in court since at least 2000)
 
Menard's just surfaced again on Ickes, he's trying to resurrect the consent issue again.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060017977&postcount=7
I just sent him a little mail
I like your latest post on Ickes

Would you like bricklayers to impose their craft upon you without consent, and demand you pay them? Would brain surgeons be able to impose their craft or services upon you without your consent? Do either of them have the right to demand you do not lay your own bricks, or try to tend to your own health?

That is the difference between lawyers and the others you mentioned. Lawyers claim monopoly over the ability to practice law, but also claim the right to impose it on all, regardless of consent.
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Its the last bit that interests me, do you have any rules on your allotment/freeman valley?

If so, those rules require the consent of others to have any life at all, without the agreement of others they are simply words from your mouth.
So if I wish to come on your freeman valley and set up camp, you cannot touch me, I do not recognise your rules as they do not exist as you do not have my consent which is a requirement to breath life into your words.

If you say they do exist regardless of my consent, then whats the difference between freeman valley and the system we have now?

Good luck with that Rob
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He sent me a response (blue is mine)
lets just address those little beauties

How do you get on my property, without my consent when you were not born here?
easy, I just walk on and set up shop, your rules dont apply to me.

Compare that to Canada, within which I WAS BORN.
Thus by BIRTH I have a right to be here which is not dependent upon your wishes or whims nor do I require your consent.
Right of birth, who gives you that right Rob, isnt that the Canadian government which you do not consent to?

However on my land, which I own, and upon which you do not have ANY CLAIM, you require my consent, otherwise it is TRESPASSING.
You don't own it Rob, you cant own land you can only have use of it, ask your mate Yozhik, if you still claim you own it then your only proof is a deed provided by the government of Canada which states you are the owner, and I don't need to remind you that you don't consent to the government of Canada.

These truths are not a function of 'my rules' which you can simply ignore, but of the very law you demand I embrace.
Reject them if you wish, but you are rejecting not 'my rules' but the Law.
Nope, not the law Rob, just your rules there are no such thing as laws in my world , only gravity, thats a law Rob, things that cannot be ignored

I guarantee you, if you come to my place, (which I KNOW you are far too much a coward to ever attempt) you will be directed to leave, and failure will result in your arrest for trespassing.
Really, on what authourity, we are all equal, how can one man govern another without his consent?
are you suggesting you will force me to leave?

That is the law.
Nope, its your rule, it may be the governments law but that doesnt apply to you and me for that matter.

See how easy-peasy it is if you can simply distinguish between the law and what you call my rules?
no difference Rob, there is no law, only rules

Have a good one! My cabin is coming along fantastic, as does my garden!
any pics yet?
PS- Did not need any luck to destroy your position, merely logic, reason and knowledge of law, coupled with ability and will to properly distinguish.
Nope, you just made your position worse

have a great day
hehehe
 
jargon buster said:
He sent me a response (blue is mine)
lets just address those little beauties

How do you get on my property, without my consent when you were not born here?
easy, I just walk on and set up shop, your rules dont apply to me.

Compare that to Canada, within which I WAS BORN.
Thus by BIRTH I have a right to be here which is not dependent upon your wishes or whims nor do I require your consent.
Right of birth, who gives you that right Rob, isnt that the Canadian government which you do not consent to?

However on my land, which I own, and upon which you do not have ANY CLAIM, you require my consent, otherwise it is TRESPASSING.
You don't own it Rob, you cant own land you can only have use of it, ask your mate Yozhik, if you still claim you own it then your only proof is a deed provided by the government of Canada which states you are the owner, and I don't need to remind you that you don't consent to the government of Canada.

These truths are not a function of 'my rules' which you can simply ignore, but of the very law you demand I embrace.
Reject them if you wish, but you are rejecting not 'my rules' but the Law.
Nope, not the law Rob, just your rules there are no such thing as laws in my world , only gravity, thats a law Rob, things that cannot be ignored

I guarantee you, if you come to my place, (which I KNOW you are far too much a coward to ever attempt) you will be directed to leave, and failure will result in your arrest for trespassing.
Really, on what authourity, we are all equal, how can one man govern another without his consent?
are you suggesting you will force me to leave?

That is the law.
Nope, its your rule, it may be the governments law but that doesnt apply to you and me for that matter.

See how easy-peasy it is if you can simply distinguish between the law and what you call my rules?
no difference Rob, there is no law, only rules

Have a good one! My cabin is coming along fantastic, as does my garden!
any pics yet?
PS- Did not need any luck to destroy your position, merely logic, reason and knowledge of law, coupled with ability and will to properly distinguish.
Nope, you just made your position worse

have a great day
hehehe
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I want to draw attention to the second last statement the one starting with " have a good one."

This kind of post, simply shuffles someone off to my "moron" pile, that "trying to annoy you by being ultra happy" type of post.

It isn't actually aggravating, it just shows that one has a kind of personality that i cannot stand. They are too much of a coward to actually just say **** off , so they try to provoke by being annoying, in hopes to say " see what a bad person he is, i was just being upbeat and he called me a moron.".
 
Odd but I get the impression the Menard wants and needs your approval!

Oh you might want to remind him that the land he claims he 'owns' was taken from the Native Americas by people working for either the Kingdom of England or France, how does that fit into his world view? LOL

Oh I was going to ask which tribe used to control that areas but then I remembered we don't actually know where he is at - or do we??
 
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"...failure will result in your arrest for trespassing."

I'm curious who should be doing the arresting?
Presumably not the Canadian police since in Menard-world neither you nor he consent to them (or something...I can never quite follow the reasoning). Would it be his special police?
 
"...failure will result in your arrest for trespassing."
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Difficult one this. If he means the real police then he must have bought the land to be able to claim he owns it and be able to claim someone is trespassing.

If he means he himself or his pretend police force will be doing the arresting.... well thats gonna end in a bad way.
 
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Difficult one this. If he means the real police then he must have bought the land to be able to claim he owns it and be able to claim someone is trespassing.

If he means he himself or his pretend police force will be doing the arresting.... well thats gonna end in a bad way.
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Cannot JB refuse to contract with the arresting officer?
 
Im pretty sure I could not be arrested for trespass unless it was aggravated trespass, and all I want to do is live peacefully on the land.

What harm am I causing and who is suffering a loss?

If its Robs private property and the police remove me regardless it will simply blow another hole in his consent theory.
If his consent theory was valid I couldnt be removed at all.

:D
 
Presumably he wasn't born on that land so he has as much of a claim on it as anybody else (anybody else born in Canada? But then that goes against the "geographical borders are fictions and don't exist" crankery. Again, the whole thing comes down to "whatever is convenient for me at the time is the law")
 
another thing, if Rob has now legitimately purchased his land then he has done so via statute law and used a solicitor in the process.:rolleyes:

Now if he claims he can remove people from his land he must use the Trespass Act.
Now as a freeman doesn't follow any acts what does Rob do to get one off his land?
He cannot get them removed or remove them himself by enforcing the Trespass Act because he would be going against all he has ever stood for. (no man may govern another without his consent.)
He could physically remove them from his land but his defence in doing so lies within the Trespass Act which he will have to admit is a law to legitimately use it as a defence.

If he doesnt believe the Act is actually a law he would then be open to being sued by the freeman for assault.(providing the freeman happens to agree to the act concerning assaults, they normally do agree to the ones which benefit them though)

and theres much,much more, I'm thinking of writing a book :D

Oh and the freeman on Robs land could say he is there under the "colour of right"

The ONLY lawful way Menard can keep people of his land is to enforce statute law and as we all know freemen are exempt from statute law so as he has now become Laird of Freeman land he is going to have to disprove all he has ever said in order to retain his little piece of Canada (New Brunswick to be a little more precise)
 
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Take a little look at this

Menard thinks nothing of taking money from the sick and mentally ill.
http://www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/...t-fuelled-freeman-8217-s-beliefs-says-ex-wife
Christine Sellinger said her husband’s fight with pancreatic disease in 2005 created conditions ripe for his slide into the Freeman on the Land movement.

He spent six months in a coma and was unable to work when he came out of the hospital, she said. A friend introduced him to freeman concepts in late 2006 and, with little else to do, he turned to the Internet.

By 2009, freeman ideology had so enveloped his thinking it destroyed the couple’s marriage, Sellinger said.

“It was like he was part of a cult,” she said. “Sitting at the computer all day long — he was obsessed with the computer and it just took off from there. He started getting into trouble with the law.

“A lot of those (online) guys are just a bunch of lunatics. It’s sad, it’s mental.”

Thatcher had his first run-in with the law in Kamloops in 2007, which cost him four days in jail, she said. After that, he had a conversation with well-known freeman Robert Menard, who sold him an $800 document that indicated how he could fight the law more effectively.
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$800???????? its only $250 on WFS.

MENARD IS BEYOND CRIMINAL
 
Funny how yesterday he made a big display of feigning ignorance to any involvement in the matter.

Menard said:
what makes you think that I am the "Freeman Adviser' on such issues (...)?
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Menard said:
Why you feel the need to talk about me, when this post is not about me is beyond my ken.
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"Who, me?"

Disgusting coward. He's a walking caricature of a conman.

Can't wait until it catches up with him.
 
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what a piece of work he is
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060021195&postcount=83
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060023190&postcount=95

There are the links to the 2 post boottothehead posted.
dont worry i have screenshot them in case he deletes them.

Lets just see how long they stay on Ickes and if they are still prepared to protect him after this.

Hopefully people reading them on Ickes will see him for what he is.

I knew he was a piece of work but this evidence just shows how low this guy will go.
 
I sent Rob a mail about how he should hold his head in shame and here is his response

Shame on you for believing everything you read in that rag.
They repeatedly make reference to The Freeman Association of Canada. A thing which to my knowledge does not even exist.
I have never sold anyone a singular document. If I recall correctly, that coin was for two days of my life, and 16 hours dedicated to trying to help him understand my perspective. It was also a DONATION, made by him to me, without any obligation to do so. Of course you do not look at the truth do you?

You know who really should hang their head in shame? It's you! Based upon your last email, I now have proof you did all you have done for only your amusement, cause you felt I should have answered your questions, and for a lark, you sought to destroy another's reputation, all for fun according to you, and all the while trying to convince others on your favorite forum that you were acting for some altruistic purpose. We now know that you have admitted you had no altruistic reasons, only ego. You also admitted to to your cowardice.

Read the story very carefully oh foolish one. YOu will see HE has never mentioned me, and nor did I place him in jail. Why do you not direct your anger and venom to the one who is trying to impose services, and has actually harmed him?

Hang your head in shame, you loser coward scared to identify yourself! Why should I hang my head in shame, when I stand with my name known to all, and you hide like the coward you are, and refuse to stand at all?

I truly feel sorry for you dude. You are such a loser, with such an empty heart full of anger and hatred, and you claim you express that anger and hatred for reasons of only personal amusement.

You are the biggest loser I have ever known, for that reason...
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So he admits he is the cause after saying the paper lies?????
stundie anyone
 
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