Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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Captain_Swoop said:
In the UK if you don't have your license and Insurance with you the Cop gives you a 'Producer' You nominate a Police Station, take the form along and show your documents. Hardly anyone carries their insurance or license with them.
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I believe they have changed it now, they have access to the DVLA database and the Database of Insured cars.

If you have not got your Tax/license/Insurance on you, they will check the databases, if you are not on them they will take your car. You then have some time (14 days?) to go to the place they store your cars with license/Insurance & the cash to pay for towing/storing it. If you don't turn up they just crush the car.

I know a lad who was insured but they forgot to update the police database so he had his car taken, cost him about £300 to get it back a day or so later, he managed to get the insurance company to pay him back. .

From - http://www.drivingban.co.uk/drivingban/drivingwithoutinsurance.htm

I was stopped for having no insurance. The Police have now impounded my car. Are they entitled to do this?Yes. The Police now have facilities to check insurance cover at the road side. If for any reason you are unable to prove the vehicle is insured, the Police are entitled to remove it from the road and charge you for the cost of transporting and storing the vehicle. Having removed the vehicle, the Police are entitled to scrap it if you do not reclaim it within 14 days by producing evidence or valid insurance.
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The logic behind this change was that once they have checked and you are not on the DB for License/Insurance/Tax, they know you are commiting a crime, a policeman cannot let someone commiting a crime continue, so they take your car. By the sounds of tsome of hese Freemen, I would love them to bring this rule in for the US/Canada, don't think many would have their cars for long
 
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Apparently the police had been asking around to confirm that he had been taking money in exchange for what he passes as legal advice. He is now bragging loudly about it.

Thanks Rob!
 
Mr Zog said:
I believe they have changed it now, they have access to the DVLA database and the Database of Insured cars.

If you have not got your Tax/license/Insurance on you, they will check the databases, if you are not on them they will take your car. You then have some time (14 days?) to go to the place they store your cars with license/Insurance & the cash to pay for towing/storing it. If you don't turn up they just crush the car.

I know a lad who was insured but they forgot to update the police database so he had his car taken, cost him about £300 to get it back a day or so later, he managed to get the insurance company to pay him back. .

From - http://www.drivingban.co.uk/drivingban/drivingwithoutinsurance.htm


The logic behind this change was that once they have checked and you are not on the DB for License/Insurance/Tax, they know you are commiting a crime, a policeman cannot let someone commiting a crime continue, so they take your car. By the sounds of tsome of hese Freemen, I would love them to bring this rule in for the US/Canada, don't think many would have their cars for long
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I understand the logic of seizing the car, but what is the logic of crushing it after 14 days? Wouldn't selling it at auction be more rational? Wouldn't waiting more than 14 days be more reasonable?
 
Mr Zog said:
I believe they have changed it now, they have access to the DVLA database and the Database of Insured cars.

If you have not got your Tax/license/Insurance on you, they will check the databases, if you are not on them they will take your car. You then have some time (14 days?) to go to the place they store your cars with license/Insurance & the cash to pay for towing/storing it. If you don't turn up they just crush the car.

I know a lad who was insured but they forgot to update the police database so he had his car taken, cost him about £300 to get it back a day or so later, he managed to get the insurance company to pay him back. .

From - http://www.drivingban.co.uk/drivingban/drivingwithoutinsurance.htm


The logic behind this change was that once they have checked and you are not on the DB for License/Insurance/Tax, they know you are commiting a crime, a policeman cannot let someone commiting a crime continue, so they take your car. By the sounds of tsome of hese Freemen, I would love them to bring this rule in for the US/Canada, don't think many would have their cars for long
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Not appearing on the insurance industry databse doesn't mean it isn't insured. there are delays in update if you just took out new insurance and some insurance doesn't show on it.
Some police officers seem to think the databse is part of the PNC system but it isn't, it's nothing to dowith the police it's an industry co-operation thing maintained by a third party contract.
What they should do is confirm with the insurance company that you are insured. Even if you show up on the database and don't have your certificate with you then you will be asked to produce within 7 days.
Same for License and Tax, they are checked on the PNC as it has a link to the DVLA but it isn't always up to date so you should be given chance to produce.
On the other side it is actualy an offence not to carry your license or display tax but it isn't a reportable or endorsable offence.
Proof of insurance is a strict liability. It's up to you to prove you are insured not for the police to show you aren't.
 
A quick skim of WFS site reveals a few posts by Menard in the "announcements" section
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewforum.php?f=197
Rob started 7 threads which received 3993 viewings, his posts ranged from announcing his shows and white paper discussions.
How many responses after all these viewings?

None...not a one
And he says I'm on my own :rolleyes:

Yes, Im sure his shows are selling out and he's raking in 2k a night.
 
I doubt very much that his shows are getting him that much money at least not if he is only charging $20 per person.
On some of his video's where he is speaking at his seminars I don't think that I have seen one single one that has had over 50 people there.
As for the $2k for 10 hours work, that really surprises me because I cannot see anyone paying him that much for his advice when they can just buy his videos and all of the other garbage that he has put up for sale for much less. Actually a great deal of those things are free to most from some of the others so it is hard for me to see him even making money on any of that.
He is no doubt becoming more and more desperate.
I am wondering if he can be nailed in all of the provinces for trying to teach people the law and having them go into court and use what he teaches them. He is no lawyer even though he seems to want to be one pretty badly.
 
That case that was to have happened in London Court with Keith was actually not in London Court but in Guelph Court.
For those of you that could not find anything about this in the London Court that could be why.
 
Your TV is not broken

Showcase2

PSTV.tv - Magnificent Deception

At: 6th April 2011 21:00 pm, Duration: 60min.
Genre: Documentaries

The Magnificent Deception: Rob Menard on the concepts of Freedom, Law, and Commerce, and how they relate to Persons, Humans, and Freeman-On-Land. Sequel to Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception
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Showcase2 can be found on Sky Digital channel 203
Non UK folks can watch on the web: InformationTV

Just a heads-up. Nobody actually watches InformationTV but it does demonstrate the crap they show.
 
I have been away for a couple of days and just opened my Google mail account to e-mails from Menards associates telling me to leave him alone as they love him.
I have asked their sex and ages and explained that their love may not be reciprocated and posted them a link to this site.

http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/elizabeth/

It would appear that Menard has no stomach to come forward and discuss anything here on an open forum , he would rather just send stupid e-mails ,which in all honesty look like they have been written by a demented 7 year old.

He has even requested I allow all his mail from his freemanmenard@gmail.com
address????????
 
Well I watched about 10 mins of 'Magnificent deception on and off.
So that's the Great Man himself?

Nice hat.
 
Ladewig said:
I understand the logic of seizing the car, but what is the logic of crushing it after 14 days? Wouldn't selling it at auction be more rational? Wouldn't waiting more than 14 days be more reasonable?
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I've thought this for some time. Sell the car and put the money in a fund to cover the costs of uninsured drivers hitting people. Crushing the car is just a petty revenge.
 
They don't always crush it. If it is seaized and not claimed after a set time then it is disposed of. Usualy it is old 'bangers' that are abandoned to their fate. They aren't worth anything more than scrap value.
Back in the 80s I got my XR3i at a police auction. It was a 'stolen recovered' but the thieves had started to 'ring' it and it had no chassis or engine number so couldn't be identified.
I got it for a stupid low price at the auction and got it re registered and stamped with new numbers.
 
http://www.police-auctions.org.uk/index.htm

Yep..they sell recovered cars amongst other things.

I love this little slogan on the site
At police auctions you can pick up computers, electrical items, clothing, vehicles, bikes. Some items are lost or stolen property that has never been claimed. Some items are belongings that might have been seized by bailiffs or finance companies from people in debt. Whatever the case, their loss is now your gain!
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Goods get siezed under the 'proceeds of crime' act. Convicted criminals can have the proceeds of their ill gotten gains confiscated.
 
One of Menards cronies has sent me a mail after I asked him for evidence of his freeman exploits :D

All criminal courts are cesti que vie trusts. They declare your name in all caps JAMES ROBERT WALTON (used to love that show) as a dead entity in which you the real man are the trustee, and therefore compelled to perform, such as plea, pay, do jail time. The prosecutor is the executor. Well who is the beneficiary? i go in and say "I'm the beneficiary" in not so many words. I actually just keep saying "I don't understand this." Which in legal-ease means "I don't stand under this." The judge has to be the trustee. He usually declares recess or continuance. He kept sending me back to the prosecutor, like a hot potato, no one wants the liability. He got really nice to me when I signed my bond agreement "Retain all rights, waive none UCC 1-207, 1-308" Let him know I know about the commercial nature of the admiralty courts. Sucked for the prosecutor. He had white knuckles around the pen that wrote the dismissal motion. I'm not giving you the case number. Has my location, phone, ex wife's address. Just have to believe me, or not. Try it yourself on a simple speeding ticket.
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Its got all the usual spells and buzz words and the all important lack of proof.

Its a classic :D
 
Just believe and it will work.
Everytime you say you don't believe a freeman fairy dies.
 
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