Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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I never suggested it was a workable system, they seem to think it is, not me.
I was just pointing out why I think Menard used statute when it suited him, it's allowed within his 'rules'
 
Is that not what the goverment does? Make up the rules as they go along, I mean?

Hi i am Randy. i am 27, seperated dad of an awesome little boy (he is my life) i am learning impaired (dyslexia) buy still do my best and i have a rent-a-husband type business where i fix little things around the house for single woman and moms. i am on the fence with this whole freeman stuff but i know people at my school who got there student loans writen off. i am trying to get my diploma for wind turbine technician and live at home with my mom and dad and if i can get my student loan paid off i will. i also have watched some videos, and they make sense to me. At least some of it. Some of the other stuff i do not understand, but on my birth certificate there is words on the back that say revenue receipt, so i wonder i do not trust the government, and think they are hiding something but how could this freeman stuff be real? We can't just say no to the government can we? i mean that would be too easy and someone would have told us about it before. Lawyers would be doing it all the time if it was true.

anyway, happy new year! i came here cause you guys do not agree with the freeman stuff, and i wanted to see all sides before deciding. i hope to make friends here who can help me figure this stuff out.

happy new year!
 
HandyRandy said:
Is that not what the goverment does? Make up the rules as they go along, I mean?
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Yep, the difference between Freeman mythology and reality though is that real government has the perceived legitimate use of force while freeman on the land have nothing. Also, in reality, if government makes up something you don't like we have multiple avenues for you to change that: you can vote differently, use the court system, etc. That doesn't mean the government bends to your will and lets you do whatever you want (as it does in freeman mythology), thats because we rule by majority. Your free to disagree with the majority and do what you want - by moving somewhere else.

HandyRandy said:
i am on the fence with this whole freeman stuff but i know people at my school who got there student loans writen off.
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If you are in the US, no, you don't, and someone is lying to you if they tell you otherwise. The only way to get student loans "written off" in the US is by (1) being totally disabled, (2) you dying, or (3) going to a school that has its accreditation revoked by the US Department of Education. By the time (2) happens you will no longer care about your debt, and (1) and (3) happen very, very rarely.

HandyRandy said:
i am trying to get my diploma for wind turbine technician and live at home with my mom and dad and if i can get my student loan paid off i will.
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You won't, you'll just end up with ruined credit for 7-10 years.

HandyRandy said:
i also have watched some videos, and they make sense to me. At least some of it. Some of the other stuff i do not understand, but on my birth certificate there is words on the back that say revenue receipt, so i wonder i do not trust the government, and think they are hiding something but how could this freeman stuff be real? We can't just say no to the government can we? i mean that would be too easy and someone would have told us about it before. Lawyers would be doing it all the time if it was true.
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Why is it unusual that it would say revenue receipt on a birth certificate? Most countries have some sort of payroll tax and link it to something like the social security number, which you have to have to work unless your on a work visa. If there was a vast conspiracy to keep you under debt when all you had to do was tell the government no, why would they be so stupid as to give you clues by printing stuff on your birth certificate?

By the way, there really isn't anything to agree or disagree with when it comes to freeman mythology: its not real. I can't disagree with something that isn't real.
 
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Freeman philosophy is good for only one thing...getting yourself in more trouble than you were in before. It has no basis in law and every single example I have seen, the Freeman ended up loosing their car or house or ended up paying thousands in court costs.
 
LightinDarkness said:
If you are in the US, no, you don't, and someone is lying to you if they tell you otherwise. The only way to get student loans "written off" in the US is by (1) being totally disabled, (2) you dying, or (3) going to a school that has its accreditation revoked by the US Department of Education. By the time (2) happens you will no longer care about your debt, and (1) and (3) happen very, very rarely.
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To be fair, you can (or could) work off all or part of your student loan debt in some cases - for example, by teaching in schools in certain parts of the country, or serving as a doctor on Native American reservations.

That's not the same as saying, "I decided not to contract with you on that loan after all," and then not paying, though.
 
Elizabeth I said:
To be fair, you can (or could) work off all or part of your student loan debt in some cases - for example, by teaching in schools in certain parts of the country, or serving as a doctor on Native American reservations.

That's not the same as saying, "I decided not to contract with you on that loan after all," and then not paying, though.
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Thats true. To be honest I didn't include those exceptions because the guy claims he wants to get a technical degree...and the programs I am aware of that pay off student loan debt don't have anything in that area (teaching, federal government service, and medicine).
 
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troll????
those guys are priceless
 
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OOPS...Ive been upgraded. :D
 
It would appear that someone who doesn't pay tax is now automatically a freeman on the land???
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151148
Check out R. v Menard. IS about this Menard guy not paying income tax for the last 10 years, but because he is a Freeman and does not have a SIN he has no obligation to pay income tax.

Since he has no SIN and no obligation to pay, they have never demanded he pay, nor have the tried to take jim to court.

The complete lack of a court case is the evidence of a huge success. So big even the government did not even try to fight.

See the WIN is the absence of any fight at all.
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so no need to sign up with the WFS then :)

Rob the hat simply bums his way around doing his daft talks and passes his stinking (literally) hat around after the show for donations to make ends meet and he doesn't pay tax on it....wow.. I gave a "down and out" a fiver last week, I wonder if he contacted the IRS????
 
Check out R. v Menard. IS about this Menard guy not paying income tax for the last 10 years, but because he is a Freeman and does not have a SIN he has no obligation to pay income tax.

Since he has no SIN and no obligation to pay, they have never demanded he pay, nor have the tried to take jim to court.
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Who is this "Jim Menard"?
 
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Rob the hat simply bums his way around doing his daft talks and passes his stinking (literally) hat around after the show for donations to make ends meet and he doesn't pay tax on it.
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Way to make me spit tea all over :).
 
These con artists have reached Ontario, Canada yes. I have known about them for about 2 years now but could not bother to even check into what it was.
They seem to be in the small town areas for sure. Don't know if they are in the larger areas as well. Also they seem to go after the people that are either drunks or drug addicts or just not smart enough to know better.
I found out about this con movement when my younger brother who is now 52 years old got involved with them. He did not do so until after he had been arrested for a criminal offense. His wife had tried to kill him and was out on bail. She had then claimed that he had abused her so he was jailed.
My husband and I were the surities for his bail and believe me it was not a small amount that we had to pay up if he did not follow the rules set out for him. Everything was fine for about a month. Then in comes this con artist movement and wham it was like he got hit even harder on the head. We heard things like the government are made up of nothing but liars. They are cheating us out of our legal rights. There are bonds in our name that the government set up the day we were born. The number on the back of our birth certificates is what they use. Then there were things mentioned about the matrix, about the magna carta about rome, jesus etc. I think that you have heard it all here already.
I am not very educated at all but even to me all of this was just plain stupidity. Yet my brother kept claiming that he was so much smarter than every one else so he was right. During this whole process he was living here with us without paying a dime. He did not work, had no money at all. He at least stopped driving but had his so called "friends" here day in and day out or they would just come here to pick him up. He would come back home those days and tell me about another case that was won in court. One of the cases was the one in Guelph that he had gone with down as support for. When I saw the video I could not understand why he would think that the case was won.
There was though no argueing with him because he was smarter and we were just plain stupid that we could not see that the government and everyone else was just out to grab our money. He felt that we were crazy for paying a mortgage ( we do not have a mortgage anymore). Or that we payed loans. I guess that is how he figured that he did not owe us money anymore that he had borrowed. We could just get it back from the government.
He is now back in jail because the day of his prelimary hearing he started by firing his lawyer and then proceeding with all this nonsense about it not being his legal name and so on. The judge had told him that he was to be in court the next day for a pshycological evaluation. He told her that he did not accept her offer. He told her this several times before she finally told him that it was not an offer but an order. When he left the courtroom my husband asked him if he was going to show up in the court the following day and he stated "you heard what I told the judge". He told my husband this 2 times so we saw no other way but to revoke bail. I had told my husband before we entered the court that if he was going to pull this garbage then I was going to revoke my part of it.
This whole thing has damaged the family a great deal.
I would tell anyone that is considering going for this con game to really reconsider it. It will not only harm your whole family and especially your children if you have any but you will probably end up with a very poor credit rating and in worst scenario in jail or you could loose your children.
They are not sane people.
Rob is a narcissist of the most dangerous kind.
 
Hi Wisp, that's an awful situation you have found yourself in, you have my fullest sympathy. This case highlights the collateral damage this kind of nonsense causes, it is not victimless idiocy. The actions of Menard as his ilk are responsible for this and for what, to stoke his ego and earn a few quid? Words fail me.

I don't know if your comfortable with this or not but could you post a link to any web coverage that the case incurred? I'd understand if you didn't want to make his identity public.

Also, have you ever met Menard?
 
The culmination of this happened on Dec. 22. We revoked bail right after he was told to appear the next day and refused to do so. Strange part is that his goonie friends that were him in court claim that he did not do so. I have not idea what they thought it meant when he stated that he would not accept her offer could be.
It has been nothing but craziness around here for the last 2 years. To be honest I do believe that he was thinking of getting into this even before he found these goons in our town. He seems to believe that the jews are to blame for everything. They own our banks and therefore basically the governement that is lying to us. The government is out to get him, the police are out to get him, his lawyer will not defend him because he works for the government, the crown is out to get him.
We discovered while packing his things together to store in the garage that he had been seeing and speaking to his wife as well. He was not to have any contact with her at all. We also discovered that he even believed that my husband and I were only out to get him. The only people he believed in were these sick people and his wife.
I do not want to tell his name on an open forum. When we had to call him at one of his so called friends homes that evening to let him know that he had to turn himself in and why he go angry and threatened us.
This is a person that for years has suffered with anger issues. I know that he years ago had been dangerous to others. At one time he beat our father because he did not agree with the way my brother did things in my father's home. (father was 60 years old at the time).
I had not seen my brother for 20 years until the day that he showed up on our doorstep basically asking for help because his wife had tried to kill him with a sledgehammer in the back of the head and a knife in the neck. A love for a brother does not go away so of course I stepped up to help him. My husband felt the same way as I did.
Believe me this is all something that I have cried a great deal over and the rest of the family is suffering due to.
It is not something that does not hurt others.
I am now of the belief that those that are a part of this horrible movement care about no one but themselves.
I would really ask anyone considering this to beware, especially those that have children.
 
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...and people wonder why I have been plaguing Menard for 18 months :confused:

the guy needs stopping, I have in the past contacted the authorities in Canada and even highlighted his activities here http://forums.blueline.ca/index.php?sid=8e6c7188880c3768271b3d608818ad06 the moderator informed me that they we aware of Menard but didn't want him mentioned on their site in case it drew more of his idiotic followers there.

All it needs to destroy the myth of Menard is him being arrested and convicted which will destroy his entire argument, unfortunately Menard knows this and obeys the law himself, the only way they can pin something on him is if they can prove he encouraged someone else to break the law.
Menard is a despicable individual with a very shady past indeed and possibly impregnated a vulnerable minor without her knowledge.
What goes around comes around and Menard will get his.
 
To be honest just from reading on here and on their own forums I had deducted that the Canadian government was well aware of this fool.
The problem with this whole movement though is that the next person is already trying to become their leader and guru.
I never met Rob Menard. My brother did brag about meeting some of the people from B.C. though. Said that some where lawyers and therefore knew the law. I did not bother to argue any of all this bull with him at any time. I can also say that I have no clue if he had ever been in our home because our home offices are upstairs and my brother was set up on the main level of the house. At times there were many of them here though.
There is no doubt in my mind that my brother was trying hard to set himself up as perhaps one of the next leaders in this group of merry men/women. He would often inform us that he had been helping someone to get out of paying a debt, usually a fine, a bill or their taxes. He claimed that if they did not get an answer to their letter within 3 weeks then they would not have to pay. He bragged that he had at that point helped at least 20 people with this and that they all had not recieved any answer to their letters within the given time so therefore they did not have to worry about being in any kind of debt any more.
One day when I told him about our kid sis having problems because her jerk ex's were dead beat dads he said "so what she is a fool because I have already told her how to handle her debts without them. If she does not want to listen to reasoning then it is her own stupidity". I couldn't get over his reasoning.
He also does not believe in the holocaust. This was the only time that I said anything against him because it made me very angry. I dared him to say that to my best friends father that had lived in one of the camps and whose parents and siblings were killed there.
Most times I would just tell him that I did not agree with anything he was saying so we would have to agree to disagree.
When he spoke of these things he would start to get very loud and start to yell to be heard. I am sure that he has done this his goony friends as well. No doubt that the people that he claims to have helped see him as being a special kind of person.
He also claimed that the people in B.C. that he had met agreed with him and all the translations that he had figured out.
I am sure that my brother has a few bricks loose after all this going on here for so long.
I am also very sure that Rob has a few bricks loose but none of them enough to not use people to their own advantage.
They are nothing more than greedy, narcissistic bums.
 
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