Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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flabio said:
Every one here with their anti-fez agendas. Meh, I'd like to see any of you do any better at actually finding solutions or remedy...

At least Rob tries.
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Highlighted the problem with your post. He doesn't "actually" do anything. In fact, he tries desperately to distance himself from the requirement to actually do anything.

You want to impress me? Try running for Parliament on a FoTL platform. Heck, we've got one CTist in my riding who's done just that the last 2 or 3 elections, and while I think he's an idiot, I at least admire his commitment to actually trying to achieve something real.
 
Horatius said:
You want to impress me? Try running for Parliament on a FoTL platform. Heck, we've got one CTist in my riding who's done just that the last 2 or 3 elections, and while I think he's an idiot, I at least admire his commitment to actually trying to achieve something real.
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But the FOTLer position is that the law is already as they say it is, and anything that Parliament does can be ignored. Why should they bother running for Parliament?
 
Every one here with their anti-fez agendas. Meh, I'd like to see any of you do any better at actually finding solutions or remedy...

At least Rob tries.
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Mojo said:
But the FOTLer position is that the law is already as they say it is, and anything that Parliament does can be ignored. Why should they bother running for Parliament?
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Well, that's sort of my point, isn't it? Fantasizing that the world already works the way they want it to means they don't have to "actually" do anything to change it.

However, recognizing reality means that , if they want the world to work the way they'd like, they'd have to do actual work, and actually convince a majority of people that FoTLerism is a desirable way to run the world.
 
Horatius said:
Well, that's sort of my point, isn't it? Fantasizing that the world already works the way they want it to means they don't have to "actually" do anything to change it.

However, recognizing reality means that , if they want the world to work the way they'd like, they'd have to do actual work, and actually convince a majority of people that FoTLerism is a desirable way to run the world.
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If they were to campaign for change, they would have to concede that FOTL is currently nonsense.
 
Mojo said:
If they were to campaign for change, they would have to concede that FOTL is currently nonsense.
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Which would actually be an improvement.


However, they don't even need to do that - they just need to toss out the idiots who are claiming that FoTL is currently real, and re-cast it as a philosophy that they are merely promoting as a new option. Which isn't even that much of a stretch for them, as it's already what they do every time their current scam gets shot down by the courts, as witnessed here with Menard insisting that his anti-tax scheme is completely different from previous FoTL anti-tax schemes. They'd just need to take it one step further.
 
flabio said:
Every one here with their anti-fez agendas. Meh, I'd like to see any of you do any better at actually finding solutions or remedy...

At least Rob tries.
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I find your use of the word remedy disturbing.
You'll be saying do your due dilligence next.

Rob tries nothing other than copying other peoples' scams.
He hasn't got an original idea in his body.

The only difference is that Rob bombards the internet with his crazy nonsense
non-stop. Thus making him fair game for the ridicule he receives.

He also rips people off. People who are weak and gullible.
People like Lance Thatcher.

As his WFS and pretend police force have been utter failures he now decides to copy other conmen and invent a pretend bank and pretend money system.
A system where you pay him $125 per month in real money.

Yes. He certainly is trying.
 
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"Finding remedy". Is that like finding Nemo?

I think FOTLers should find indefinite article. Otherwise I read everything in Russian accent.
 
flabio said:
Every one here with their anti-fez agendas. Meh, I'd like to see any of you do any better at actually finding solutions or remedy...

At least Rob tries.
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Let's leave aside that Rob cons the unstable and the desperate out of money, and the fact that Robs scams don't work and instead put said unstable and desperate people in even worse situations. FMOTL is simply lazy wishful thinking. Robs purported goal is a fundamental transformation of society. His latest nonsense is a proposed complete reorganization of the economy. Let's leave aside that it wouldn't lead to economic chaos and massive inflation. His proposal to systematically change our economy is presented as simply posting a few youtube videos and signing things "consumer purchase" at a restaurant. (oh and sending him money).

Real social change requires effort and years if not decades of work. It requires actual sacrifice. The Women's rights movement just didn't say they didn't consent and magically society changed. People died. People went to jail. Even so, it took them well over a hundred years to get to today, with many bumps on the road. Same with the civil rights movement. Same with the gay rights movement.

FMOTL proposes a quick fix to both your own and society's problems. That's a huge red flag in of itself. If one wishes to fundamentally transform society, one should not have an aversion to the hard work and patience that such a thing would require. One should also not have an aversion to personal sacrifice, asking others to pay money to test out unworkable methods that oneself is unwilling to test out.
 
flabio said:
Every one here with their anti-fez agendas. Meh, I'd like to see any of you do any better at actually finding solutions or remedy...

At least Rob tries.
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As a Mason, if anyone here is predisposed to being pro-fez it should be me. But then again, the group more usually associated with fezes (and goofy small vehicles in parades [hey..whatever gets 'em through the day]) actulaly DOES things. And not for themselves but charitably and for others.

From everything I've seen and read about BM, he is the antithesis of what this very large group of other fez-wearers stand for. He's the true anti-fez.

Fitz

p.s. And yes, as ComfySlippers points out, Rob is most definitely trying
 
“I don’t have to do what my daddy says; he’s not the boss of me.”
Freeman guru aged 8
“I don’t have to do what the government says, they’re not the boss of me”
Freeman guru aged 47
 
I didn't notice this before, perhaps it was or wasn't there, but there is a caption at the start of the video saying:

Please do not attempt to do this until a foundation has been properly laid and prepared!
Do not build on sand and claim it does not work!

I wonder if the foundation is built when enough people have sent him their $s, a la Roger Hayes and his Lawful Bank.



ETA: He has now added the same at ConsumerPurchasers.ca

NOTE: PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT THE CONSUMER PURCHASE UNTIL A FRAMEWORK HAS BEEN LAID

Interesting.
 
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Please do not attempt to do this until a foundation has been properly laid and prepared!
Do not build on sand and claim it does not work!
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Roughly translated.
Please do not attempt to do this until a few people have sent $125 to me and are unable to get a refund
Dont try it yet as it doesnt actually work and I need a few quid in my wallet before I move onto something else.
 
"Now folks, I'm going to build you a wall! It will only cost you $125 each! And it will be a wall worth at least 20 times that much!


"Now, mind you, I currently don't know how to build a wall, but I know a guy who might be a master Wallsmith, and I'm almost certain he'll teach me how to make a wall, so you'll get that wall just as soon as I sort out those little details, like how to make a wall!"


Honest!
 
One must but wonder why it does not read "don't send me money before this works".
 
flabio said:
Every one here with their anti-fez agendas. Meh, I'd like to see any of you do any better at actually finding solutions or remedy...

At least Rob tries.
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Menard’s own standard for trying is “due diligence“.

The fact that it seems he has never bothered to research his schemes well enough to know that they have already been proposed, used and failed is a sad, ironic failure to meet his own criterion for trying.

The other explanations would be that Menard:

1. Can’t be bothered with or just can’t do the research necessary to determine if his methods are valid.

2. Knows his methods are doomed to fail and doesn’t care as long as he gets his money from gullible freemen.

or,

3. Menard has been telling narcissistic lies for so long that he thinks a fantastic self-aggrandizing lie believed is better than the truth.
 
ComfySlippers said:
I didn't notice this before, perhaps it was or wasn't there, but there is a caption at the start of the video saying:

Please do not attempt to do this until a foundation has been properly laid and prepared!
Do not build on sand and claim it does not work!

I wonder if the foundation is built when enough people have sent him their $s, a la Roger Hayes and his Lawful Bank.



ETA: He has now added the same at ConsumerPurchasers.ca

NOTE: PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT THE CONSUMER PURCHASE UNTIL A FRAMEWORK HAS BEEN LAID

Interesting.
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Exactly. I expect him to pinch Mr Haye's "we just need to reach a critical mass" of punters. If this scheme is what I think it is (and I admit I'm no expert), the critical mass for success is actually infinite.
Just ask Mr Maddoff.
 
Yes.

Send in the membership fees for him to "build his infrastrucure" which he knows full well he can never build...

"Keep the fees coming... it won't be long now"

"Start paying your $125 per month now. I'll look after it for you until we are ready to go live."

It would be nice if Roger Hayes and Robert Menard could share a prison cell when they are finally sent down for these scams.
Think of all the woo-love they could share.
Imagine the fun in Court.

ETA... In their shared cell;
Hayes: "I am not bankrupt nor am I in Prison."
Menard: "Prove that I am 'the prisoner' "."
 
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Just wondering, did that "non-consent to non-consent" thing ever get cleared up?
 
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