Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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Is this the "question" that he insists we must answer?




Trivially easy to answer. So trivial that someone like D'Rok, with actual legal training, probably doesn't even stop to think that people might not know what the "rule of law" actually means.





So, two things here: the Judge can govern you and still maintain the "rule of law", so long as those same rules apply to the Judge. That is, he can't drive without insurance either.

Exactly right, with the additional point that judges in their capacity as judges are regulated by the laws of parliament. Including particularly relevant acts like this one:

Judges Act

And the existence and powers of the judiciary are part of our constitutional order, like so:

Constitution Act, 1867 - Judicature

And you'll note the bit about "Rule of law stands in contrast to the idea that the sovereign is above the law", which pretty much puts paid to their notion of being "sovereigns" who are immune to statute law. That, in fact, would be the exact opposite of the Rule of Law.
Yup. The irony is almost painful.

For anyone interested, the Supreme Court has summarized the rule of law in Canada like this:
The principles of constitutionalism and the rule of law lie at the root of our system of government. The rule of law, as observed in Roncarelli v. Duplessis, 1959 CanLII 50 (S.C.C.), [1959] S.C.R. 121, at p. 142, is "a fundamental postulate of our constitutional structure". As we noted in the Patriation Reference, supra, at pp. 805-6, "[t]he 'rule of law' is a highly textured expression, importing many things which are beyond the need of these reasons to explore but conveying, for example, a sense of orderliness, of subjection to known legal rules and of executive accountability to legal authority". At its most basic level, the rule of law vouchsafes to the citizens and residents of the country a stable, predictable and ordered society in which to conduct their affairs. It provides a shield for individuals from arbitrary state action.
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[/FONT] 71 In the Manitoba Language Rights Reference, supra, at pp. 747-52, this Court outlined the elements of the rule of law. We emphasized, first, that the rule of law provides that the law is supreme over the acts of both government and private persons. There is, in short, one law for all. Second, we explained, at p. 749, that "the rule of law requires the creation and maintenance of an actual order of positive laws which preserves and embodies the more general principle of normative order". It was this second aspect of the rule of law that was primarily at issue in the Manitoba Language Rights Reference itself. A third aspect of the rule of law is, as recently confirmed in the Provincial Judges Reference, supra, at para. 10, that "the exercise of all public power must find its ultimate source in a legal rule". Put another way, the relationship between the state and the individual must be regulated by law. Taken together, these three considerations make up a principle of profound constitutional and political significance.


http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1998/1998canlii793/1998canlii793.html
The other decisions cited in those paragraphs fill in the details. Also, that whole case is an excellent read for anyone interested in the history and constitutional order of Canada.
 
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The sad fact is that the answer Menard has given on Icke's to your (excellent) posts on here will satisfy those morons that believe everything he says. They will chalk it up as a win for Menard.
He's nothing but an out and out con man.

Robs gone suspiciously quiet & has left the ever idiotic 'Herald Holmes' to keep wicket for him.
 
Yes, Herald Holmes. One can almost hear his fingers smash into the keyboard as he heaves his knuckles off the the floor to knock out each word.

Rob has gone, however. What a surprise. Turn up the heat and that bloke's gone faster than you you can say "snake oil".
 
Yes, Herald Holmes. One can almost hear his fingers smash into the keyboard as he heaves his knuckles off the the floor to knock out each word.

Rob has gone, however. What a surprise. Turn up the heat and that bloke's gone faster than you you can say "snake oil".

One of Rob's fanatical Canadian acolytes. I think he used to post here but I'm not sure.
 
herald holmes' objective is to derail threads. I've seen him do it before when Menard was in a tricky position. It's easier to derail rather than address the argument.
 
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herald holmes' objective is to derail threads. I've seen him do it before when Menard was in a tricky position. It's easier to derail rather than address the argument.
He's taking a stab at some "thinking", bless him:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059515954&postcount=117

Perhaps this will help him with his confusion over what the Supreme Court means by "one law for all" that is supreme over both persons and government:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Canada

ETA: Or, he could have clicked on the link I provided and read the very next paragraph in the case:

The constitutionalism principle bears considerable similarity to the rule of law, although they are not identical. The essence of constitutionalism in Canada is embodied in s. 52(1) of the Constitution Act, 1982, which provides that "[t]he Constitution of Canada is the supreme law of Canada, and any law that is inconsistent with the provisions of the Constitution is, to the extent of the inconsistency, of no force or effect." Simply put, the constitutionalism principle requires that all government action comply with the Constitution. The rule of law principle requires that all government action must comply with the law, including the Constitution. This Court has noted on several occasions that with the adoption of the Charter, the Canadian system of government was transformed to a significant extent from a system of Parliamentary supremacy to one of constitutional supremacy. The Constitution binds all governments, both federal and provincial, including the executive branch (Operation Dismantle Inc. v. The Queen, 1985 CanLII 74 (S.C.C.), [1985] 1 S.C.R. 441, at p. 455). They may not transgress its provisions: indeed, their sole claim to exercise lawful authority rests in the powers allocated to them under the Constitution, and can come from no other source.
 
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I fear that no matter what evidence you produce for the likes of herald holmes he will refuse to allow it to change his point of view. Worse still, I doubt he even understands D'rok's posts.
 
Looking at some of their posts all I can say is they have a highly inflated view of them selves take this for instance
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059516269&postcount=132
If I am reading this right she seems to be saying that it isn't usually a real Judge in court but because of her research they have to bring in the real Judge just for her. Talk about an exaggerated sense of self importance. Or is just sarcasm?
 
Looking at some of their posts all I can say is they have a highly inflated view of them selves take this for instance
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059516269&postcount=132
If I am reading this right she seems to be saying that it isn't usually a real Judge in court but because of her research they have to bring in the real Judge just for her. Talk about an exaggerated sense of self importance. Or is just sarcasm?


Yes, welcome to the weird & wacky world of Mary Gye. She has a bee in her bonnet about Magistrates (perhaps because she was sent to jail by one for covertly recording a hearing?) & believes they are 'tax collectors' in disguise.

If you read the entirety of her 'oeuvre' you see a sort of febrile, inability not to branch off on obscure tangents & her thinking seems disorganised.
 
Looking at some of their posts all I can say is they have a highly inflated view of them selves take this for instance
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059516269&postcount=132
If I am reading this right she seems to be saying that it isn't usually a real Judge in court but because of her research they have to bring in the real Judge just for her. Talk about an exaggerated sense of self importance. Or is just sarcasm?

I think freedavp sums up the whole feerman thing:

I want to be restored to the position I was in when I first came to life (free, with no contractual obligations, with a lawful claim to one of the richest countries in the world).

It all ended with that bloody Birth Certificate.

He wants to be returned to babyhood. No obligations but everyone is obligated to take care of him.

It would've worked too if it wasn't for that stupid BC.
 
I think freedavp sums up the whole feerman thing:



He wants to be returned to babyhood. No obligations but everyone is obligated to take care of him.

It would've worked too if it wasn't for that stupid BC.
That's really sad. His BC is his lawful claim to one of the richest countries in the world. Simply by being born in Canada, he is entitled to all of the privileges and benefits of citizenship, including health care, welfare, infrastructure, education, the protection of the Charter of Rights, etc.

Of the 6.5 billion of us on this planet, he's already one of the lucky few, and he wants to throw it all away because of some specious nonsense he read on the Internet.

Actually, to be more accurate, he wants to keep all the benefits and throw away the duties that come with that citizenship. Duties like paying taxes, paying child support, insuring his car, etc. The sense of entitlement that these jackasses have never ceases to amaze.

And FOTLers like to call us children.
 
Yes, welcome to the weird & wacky world of Mary Gye. She has a bee in her bonnet about Magistrates (perhaps because she was sent to jail by one for covertly recording a hearing?) & believes they are 'tax collectors' in disguise.

If you read the entirety of her 'oeuvre' you see a sort of febrile, inability not to branch off on obscure tangents & her thinking seems disorganised.

When I was posting as number 6 it was not unusual for her to log on late afternoon and start posting gibberish that became more and more bizarre. I always got the impression that she had spent the previous three or four hours in her local watering hole. She can become particularly aggressive when in such mode, even pleasuredome once begged her to log off because she was embarrasing herself. It's pure comedy.
 
Another Freeman on the Land success! A man uses Mary Croft's (self proclaimed legal woo guru) "trust" method by announcing to the court that he dissolves his trust (his legal fiction)!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148955

Except for the fact that the judge issued a court order for the guy to seek a mental competency exam and then declared recess. But its..somehow..a win?
 
Except for the fact that the judge issued a court order for the guy to seek a mental competency exam and then declared recess. But its..somehow..a win?

But, you're forgetting that "the judge is a fraud". You can tell she is, just look at the way she flees from her court:D
 
When I was posting as number 6 it was not unusual for her to log on late afternoon and start posting gibberish that became more and more bizarre. I always got the impression that she had spent the previous three or four hours in her local watering hole. She can become particularly aggressive when in such mode, even pleasuredome once begged her to log off because she was embarrasing herself. It's pure comedy.

With a hefty helping of tragedy. Mary Gye has suffered more for her 'freedom' than most (& certainly more then Menard)

Another Freeman on the Land success! A man uses Mary Croft's (self proclaimed legal woo guru) "trust" method by announcing to the court that he dissolves his trust (his legal fiction)!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148955

Except for the fact that the judge issued a court order for the guy to seek a mental competency exam and then declared recess. But its..somehow..a win?

Another instance of a freeman guru dropping one of their followers right in the smelly stuff.

They've been rabbiting on about 'Trusts' for a while now. It's a relatively new piece of FMOTL 'tech' for them. They seem to think that 'Trusts' have almost supernatural power & if they can just get the wording of the 'spell' right all manner of incredible things will happen - Judges running in terror from Court rooms, the unlocking of the legendary birth bond etc.

JB, as the resident FMOTL 'intelligence' (an oxymoron if ever there was one) officer can you shed any light on the life & career of Mary Croft?
 
Why yes of course, Mary Croft is another charlatan who lives on handouts and defaults on credit card debts , she even takes out credit cards and deliberately reneges on the repayments. (honour all your contracts..mmmm)
I have read her book and its full of anecdotes and nonsense, a bit like Robs garbage
www.freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdf
 
Another Freeman on the Land success! A man uses Mary Croft's (self proclaimed legal woo guru) "trust" method by announcing to the court that he dissolves his trust (his legal fiction)!
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=148955

Except for the fact that the judge issued a court order for the guy to seek a mental competency exam and then declared recess. But its..somehow..a win?

There's always a gem over there:

Neither of us know exactly what happened as we weren't there. We both saw the judge leave in a hurry though.

She didn't request a psychiatric assessment prior to recess and who is she to say he is mad anyway! Neither you nor she should be so judgemental.

Yeah. What's a judge doing being all judgemental.
 
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Why yes of course, Mary Croft is another charlatan who lives on handouts and defaults on credit card debts , she even takes out credit cards and deliberately reneges on the repayments. (honour all your contracts..mmmm)
I have read her book and its full of anecdotes and nonsense, a bit like Robs garbage
www.freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdf

She uses "I" 2049 times in that book that's 21 "I's" per page.
 
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