Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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sadhatter said:
But that is the beauty of it, because people that actually have a conscionce will still pay, allowing rob and his ilk to reap the benefits of the roads and the electricity and the water.

But no, that isn't creating a class based system.

I've said it before and i'll say it again. Rob's views are nothing more than the guy who always "Forgets his wallet" on the nights everyone orders pizza. He knows he will still get pizza, and he knows no one is going to hound him about his non contribution. Sure it may work, but it is a sketchy, amoral thing to do, even in this small respect. Extend that to society at large, and it is downright stealing.
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That's no way to live a life son.

 
Boot2TheHead said:
Menard: Here is an excerpt from my book
msbpunk: It's actually from a book by Larken Rose.
Menard: Excerpt from his book, which I am including in mine. Therefore technically is an excerpt, and is from my book. (Actual quote)

I can't believe how dishonest this guy is. It's like he's actively working to be a caricature of a cartoon slimy swindler.
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I'm actually inclined to see that as an innocent miscommunication. There are plenty of examples Menard willfully and deliberately being dishonest when it comes to FMOTL claims. I feel like we ought to concentrate on those.
 
FreemanMenard said:
I guess you missed the part where I said they were paying. That means the restauranteur is made perfectly happy and ends up with a negotiable valuable instrument.

Guess you missed that eh? Ever wonder how much more you may have missed?
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No , i was just going off of what happens in the real world Rob, where there is nothing to draw on with your legal magic. Anyone who accepts it , for some reason is going to be rather saddened to find they have been taken in, and will receive the sum of zero dollars and zero cents, from a magic amount of invisible money that doesn't exist.

I guess you could say i did not consent to your illogical metaphor, if you really wanted to brand it.
 
I'm actually inclined to see that as an innocent miscommunication. There are plenty of examples Menard willfully and deliberately being dishonest when it comes to FMOTL claims. I feel like we ought to concentrate on those.
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Im not, the guy has time and time again been proved to be intelectually dishonest, the amount of rushed flustered posts to try and explain himself on that thread was enough for me to see they were the actions of a little boy caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
 
The idea that he is writing a book is laughable so the idea that he could show a excerpt from it is doubtful.
 
Bosozoku said:
But you did say this in your hypo:How does a restauranteur end up with a negotiable instrument when someone signs a bill a certain way? In other words, what are they writing, in what circumstances, and how does that writing convert the bill into a negotiable instrument?
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Boot2TheHead said:
Menard: Here is an excerpt from my book
msbpunk: It's actually from a book by Larken Rose.
Menard: Excerpt from his book, which I am including in mine. Therefore technically is an excerpt, and is from my book. (Actual quote)

I can't believe how dishonest this guy is. It's like he's actively working to be a caricature of a cartoon slimy swindler.
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Our subject doesn’t seem to grasp the irony that behavior like his is exactly why societies have governments, legislatures and laws.
 
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FreemanMenard said:
I guess you missed the part where I said they were paying. That means the restauranteur is made perfectly happy and ends up with a negotiable valuable instrument.
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Please explain, Rob, without being so arch and mysterious.

I certainly have paid restaurant bills without handing over cash, by signing a piece of paper "in a certain way" (i.e. my signature). Of course, nowadays I don't even have to sign very often, as my credit card has a chip in it. And you're right, the restaurateur was fine with it; however, I don't consider the people at the other tables who handed over cash to be chumps, particularly.

If you're talking about cheques or credit cards (and I doubt you are), then nobody will be impressed. If you're talking about something else, back up your claims or expect further mocking.
 
Hi guys. enjoy the thread just wanted to ask

Rob Menard: Why do you claim FMOTL status and Promote FMOTL status but ignore requests for evidence? As a lurker your hurting your position to those who know very little about FMOTL

Im also curious to know what prompted you to become a FMOTL

Please dont answer for Rob i would prefer to hear what he has to say regarding the matter
 
Bosozoku said:
But you did say this in your hypo:


How does a restauranteur end up with a negotiable instrument when someone signs a bill a certain way? In other words, what are they writing, in what circumstances, and how does that writing convert the bill into a negotiable instrument?
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Bosozoku,

Freemen have developed multiple justifications for and supposed ways to stiff the power and light company, their mortgage holders, governmental student loan agencies and others.

Now the band of “do no harm” boys, led by Bobby boy himself have upped their use of freeman “fly in the soup” tricks to stiff everyday small business owners.

Mind you none of the self-delusional theories have any basis in reality and the non-payment of loans and bills by the fmolters in question almost always end up badly for the freemen perps. You can ask bmxninja357 who used the 96 method to skip out on his student loan and now, nearly unemployable, is living out of his van and moderating Menard’s WFS forum via wifi hot spots in which he parks his heap.

The only four letter words the boy don’t use are “work” and “soap“.

All theses little freeman games are based on the canards that the government has some sort of account with the freeman’s name on it and that signing a bill in some super secret freeman way creates a valuable bill of exchange the poor shop keeper or restaurateur is supposed to be able to cash against the freeman‘s secret account.. ..or some such hooey.

I find it loathsome to watch Menard do his freeman stand-up sctick on his YouTube videos in which he describes abusing restaurant staff and then walking out without paying.

Freemen on the land may find it funny to abuse and cheat working class people, but I don’t.

I have the consolation that our subject has in all likelihood never pulled any of this stuff on the working men and women of Canada. He may have climbed out an extra large rest room window after the check came (think of the visual), but I doubt that our fez wearing, beer swilling tub of lard has ever backed down even the tiniest restaurant owner.
 
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Bosozoku said:
How does a restauranteur end up with a negotiable instrument when someone signs a bill a certain way? In other words, what are they writing, in what circumstances, and how does that writing convert the bill into a negotiable instrument?
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That's the most shameless display of optimism I've seen in a while. As amusing as it would be, it's not going to happen.

Rob has been asked numerous times to show his method but seems disinterested in providing it, which is why I have sympathy for this post,

jargon buster said:
Lets have the evidence???
Did you really write that again?
This thread was started on the 29th May 2010 and we haven't had a shred of evidence from Rob, why waste time asking him?

All you will get is a mishmash of pointless waffle, he's done it all before its in the rest of this thread, surely we don't need it all again.
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It's made me think though, if Rob continues to contribute here, we should accept the real possibilty that some of us are going to die before this thread does. Saying that, I respect the right of D'rok (and others) to amuse themselves as they see fit.

Personally, I'm not sure, sometimes I'd be happy to see page128 link back to page1, stick an infinity symbol next to the thread title and have done with it but on the other hand, it does provide some chuckles.
 
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Abuse and cheat the working class people? Wow. Dude, WE are the working class people who are tired of being cheated and abused by the politician class, lawyer class, and banker class.

I also note that without even knowing what I am talking about, you reject it, and vilify me for presenting it, or being about to. This is what I am talking about when I say defending previously held misconceptions. For now it won't really matter to you if I am right, or what words I bring to the table, you have a vested interest in rejecting it, lest you be seen even in your own mind as wrong. And if I call this outlook childish, which it s, you cry about that.

You have already began operating on the belief that in order for it to work, we have to stiff someone. What if however it is we being stiffed, and all we have to do is learn how and then take lawful steps to avoid being further stiffed? What if these actions benefit the small business owner, and does not stiff them at all? Your prejudice is so overwhelming and debilitating you will never even be able to see the truth. Hatred has that affect.

Rejection of everything that does not fit into your preconceived beliefs is not being skeptical. It is the opposite, for a true skeptic should first and foremost be skeptical of that which he believes.

Luckily you have remedy available. If you personally disagree with this process when explained, all you have to do is not employ it yourself. Simple right? Or did you wish to also stop others from doing so because you do not wish to, even though they have the right?
 
FreemanMenard said:
Abuse and cheat the working class people? Wow. Dude, WE are the working class people who are tired of being cheated and abused by the politician class, lawyer class, and banker class.

I also note that without even knowing what I am talking about, you reject it, and vilify me for presenting it, or being about to. This is what I am talking about when I say defending previously held misconceptions. For now it won't really matter to you if I am right, or what words I bring to the table, you have a vested interest in rejecting it, lest you be seen even in your own mind as wrong. And if I call this outlook childish, which it s, you cry about that.

You have already began operating on the belief that in order for it to work, we have to stiff someone. What if however it is we being stiffed, and all we have to do is learn how and then take lawful steps to avoid being further stiffed? What if these actions benefit the small business owner, and does not stiff them at all? Your prejudice is so overwhelming and debilitating you will never even be able to see the truth. Hatred has that affect.

Rejection of everything that does not fit into your preconceived beliefs is not being skeptical. It is the opposite, for a true skeptic should first and foremost be skeptical of that which he believes.

Luckily you have remedy available. If you personally disagree with this process when explained, all you have to do is not employ it yourself. Simple right? Or did you wish to also stop others from doing so because you do not wish to, even though they have the right?
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There's no way to know "if these actions benefit the small business owner, and does not stiff them at all" if you don't explain what it is you are talking about.

So, I repeat my questions: How does a restauranteur end up with a negotiable instrument when someone signs a bill a certain way? In other words, what are they writing, in what circumstances, and how does that writing convert the bill into a negotiable instrument?
 
FreemanMenard said:
Abuse and cheat the working class people? Wow. Dude, WE are the working class people who are tired of being cheated and abused by the politician class, lawyer class, and banker class.
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Who isn't tired of the abuses under the current system? That doesn't excuse making false claims that there is some magical way to opt out of the system rather than trying to reform it.
 
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deeper said:
Personally, I'm not sure, sometimes I'd be happy to see page 128 link back to page1, stick an infinity symbol next to the thread title and have done with it but on the other hand, it does provide some chuckles.
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Probably the best! Menard will continue to dodge and evade -

He has no evidence his 'ideas' work.
 
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