Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

[FreemanMenard]

Yes, the government can. It is composed of people. People with guns. Like these guys:

[qimg]http://www.ci.albany.or.us/police/images/100_4056.JPG[/qimg]

Are they a "legal fiction"?

They justify their actions by pointing to fictions.
Santa said to do this...
Or 'The Government'...

And that is being rapidly eroded.

Even they can't maintain their belief as it is based on a falsehood.

Men with guns is what you have to point to, in order to support your belief system.

THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE WILL SEE.

 

[solzhenitsyn]

I have many. Just didn't bring them here.
Cause I was playing you.

When they ask me on FB or elsewhere, they get them.

Seems to me that a more effective way to "play" all of us would have been to post those verifiable examples in this thread and make us all eat some real crow. But of course I'm not a you-know-what, so I'm not going to tell you how to do your job.

 

[solzhenitsyn]

They justify their actions by pointing to fictions.
Santa said to do this...
Or 'The Government'...

And that is being rapidly eroded.

Even they can't maintain their belief as it is based on a falsehood.

Ah yes, the institution of government, which has endured for thousands and thousands of years, based as it is on enforcing law and order through a mixture of force and appeal to legitimacy, brought down by Robert Menard.

And how did the conquering hero do it? He did it by pointing out to people that governments enforce law and order in their territories through a mixture of force and appeal to legitimacy. Of course, anyone who has even browsed through a history book already knew this, but nonetheless, Robert Menard seems to believe that this knowledge, when delivered in his soaring rhetoric, will topple civilization itself.

If you actually believe anything you have posted in this thread, you have lost your mind.

Men with guns is what you have to point to, in order to support your belief system.

THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE WILL SEE.

Incidentally, observing reality has nothing to do with "supporting my belief system."

 

[D'rok]

Men with guns is what you have to point to, in order to support your belief system.

Reality is not a belief system. And those men have only the authority that a democratically elected government gives them, and the authority only to enforce the laws written by that same government.

You, of course, want to be both the lawgiver and the law enforcer with no authority other than your own personal whim. There's a word for that.

Tyranny.

 

[FreemanMenard]

Ah yes, the institution of government, which has endured for thousands and thousands of years, based as it is on enforcing law and order through a mixture of force and appeal to legitimacy, brought down by Robert Menard.

And how did the conquering hero do it? He did it by pointing out to people that governments enforce law and order in their territories through a mixture of force and appeal to legitimacy. Of course, anyone who has even browsed through a history book already knew this, but nonetheless, Robert Menard seems to believe that this knowledge, when delivered in his soaring rhetoric, will topple civilization itself.

If you actually believe anything you have posted in this thread, you have lost your mind.



Incidentally, observing reality has nothing to do with "supporting my belief system."

Sol, either you can point to a post where I used the words 'toppling civilization' or you can't.

If you can't then this is just one more example of how you use strawman arguments.

Wanna know what I have posted which I believe?
The government is composed of people. According to you that means I have lost my mind.
I also believe they are equal with those whom they govern.
Again, to you this makes me someone who has lost his mind.

So , I believe the government is composed of people and they are bound by the law, and you think that due to that belief, I am the one who has lost my mind.


THANK YOU!

I am sure people reading this will see it is YOU who has lost the plot.

 

[D'rok]

So , I believe the government is composed of people and they are bound by the law

Quite correct

and you think that due to that belief, I am the one who has lost my mind.

I don't think you've lost your mind. I think you are fully aware of your lies. This thread shows conclusively that you simply define "law" to be "whatever I think I should be able to do". You just don't care about the consequences of your lies and you enjoy attention.

This "you're not the boss of me" jackassery may be seductive to disenfranchised, alienated people. If they read this thread, they will see you as you really are. Hopefully, before they open their wallets or lose their property and/or freedom.

 

[solzhenitsyn]

Sol, either you can point to a post where I used the words 'toppling civilization' or you can't.

In fact, I misspoke. I meant "the state":

A state is an organized political community, living under a government. States are served by a continuous succession of different governments. Each successive government is composed of a body of individuals who control and exercise control over political decision-making. Their function is to enforce laws, legislate new ones, and arbitrate conflicts. In some societies, this group is often a self-perpetuating or hereditary class. In other societies, such as democracies, the political roles remain, but there is frequent turnover of the people actually filling the positions.

According to you, this is "unlawful" and therefore, apparently, impossible. Thousands of years of history suggests that you are hopelessly and ridiculously incorrect.

The rest of your post is so hilariously hypocritical that I cannot resist pointing it out:

If you can't then this is just one more example of how you use strawman arguments.

Wanna know what I have posted which I believe?

Followed by:

The government is composed of people. According to you that means I have lost my mind.

So, Freeman Menard, either you can point to a post where I stated that you have lost your mind because you believe that the government is composed of people or you can't. If you can't then this is just one more example of how you use strawman arguments.

Or would you prefer that I just quote the dozen or so posts where I have explicitly agreed with you that government is composed of people, and then proceeded to try to explain to you why the conclusions you draw from that simple fact are absurd?

I also believe they are equal with those whom they govern.
Again, to you this makes me someone who has lost his mind.

So , I believe the government is composed of people and they are bound by the law, and you think that due to that belief, I am the one who has lost my mind.


THANK YOU!

I am sure people reading this will see it is YOU who has lost the plot.

^ Yes, I sincerely think that you are either a sociopathic liar or you have lost your mind.

 

[sadhatter]

They justify their actions by pointing to fictions.
Santa said to do this...
Or 'The Government'...

And that is being rapidly eroded.

Even they can't maintain their belief as it is based on a falsehood.

Men with guns is what you have to point to, in order to support your belief system.

THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE WILL SEE.

Yes, they will see reality rob, and then they will look around and say " I'm in Canada, where else would i really want to be?" Your making up a police state that only the terminally lazy and dim see, your not swaying anyone.

 

[sadhatter]

Here is a fact for you all.
This thread has gone on for 4000 posts and over 100 pages.


Does ANYONE want to dispute that claim of fact?
NO? Thought not.
THANK YOU!

I don't dispute it, i just think its a pretty lame claim to fame. Akin to a large number of facebook friends, or a video on youtube with a few thousand hits.

I mean i have a youtube video that is pretty popular , but i would immediately disconnect my internet connection and break my computer if i ever felt validated waggling it around like a phallus to try and win an argument.

But different strokes for different folks , i guess.

 

[ComfySlippers]

He might be getting a Free Ride though.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Every individual had the right to the security of the person. But according to you, security means safety, or protection, and person is synonymous with individual. Sooo....
Every individual has the right to the protection of the individual.
But wait...
That makes NO SENSE!

Equivocation, yet again. In the phrase "security of the person," the word "person" refers to an individual's physical body. For example, the term "on one's person" means carried on one's body or in one's clothing or accessories.

Also Hamlet, Act IV Scene V:

KING CLAUDIUS

What is the cause, Laertes,
That thy rebellion looks so giant-like?
Let him go, Gertrude; do not fear our person:
There's such divinity doth hedge a king,
That treason can but peep to what it would,
Acts little of his will. Tell me, Laertes,
Why thou art thus incensed. Let him go, Gertrude.
Speak, man.

In this scene Gertrude is restraining Laertes because she is afraid that in his grief and rage over the death of his father, he will attack Claudius. Claudius tells her to let Laertes go, and not to fear that Claudius will be physically attacked. (Note that Claudius is using the royal "we".)

Further, the fact that two words may be synonymous does not necessarily imply that their meanings are exactly identical; synonyms frequently have different connotations. Fail

 

[bikerdruid]

He might be getting a Free Ride though.

wow..i am continually amazed at this stuff.

 

[Robrob]

Of course I do. But I needed you all to help carry it. Keep it in the forefront. And OMG how you did that! Far better than I would have hoped.

None of you have read The Art of War.
None of you have heard the saying "no such thing as bad publicity".

Gawd....
here's your asses, I am done with them now.

Funny how you would claim "victory" right after being so brutally debunked.

Well I am on my third pint...
If I am drunk, it is....
Only on love and truth.

Which explains a lot actually.

 

[jargon buster]

Rob posted this on WFS
http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=12074

HI all! I am working on a NUI and COR specific for the process of A4V, and would appreciate a bit of input. I have some folks in Quebec ready to translate, and would like to get them one ready to go for tomorrow.
Feel free to edit and modify and lets see if we can't create something awesome!

90 views and ...............nothing, not one response, now you know why he's here playing the fool, they don't even believe him on his own site and they are converts.

By the way Rob, how are you going to a4v anything unless you identify yourself to the government with your SIN?

Unbelievable, a guy claims to have no SIN and as such has no obligations to the government yet seeks to access funds from the said government and doesn't see the massive flaw in his argument.

Enough said really.

PS I predict a couple of WFS Rob sock puppets will back his post before the days out.

 

[BobHaulk]

They justify their actions by pointing to fictions.
Santa said to do this...
Or 'The Government'...

And that is being rapidly eroded.

Even they can't maintain their belief as it is based on a falsehood.

Men with guns is what you have to point to, in order to support your belief system.

THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE WILL SEE.

You are governed without consent cause you'd love to claim you're a lawyer and hand out legal advice but you'd be imprisoned if you did so you don't cause you've not got the balls to stand up to the court who've told you to stop doing that. To frightened to stand up to the man i guess. That's why you make piss poor video's. Oh and the only reason you are here is because you're after the credibility of the jref. Who wants their stuff to come up on google linked with the icke site? As far as playing people goes, this is just a part of the forum where people waste away the hours discussing all sorts of stupid for a bit of entertainment. You are aware your stuff is in the CONSPIRACY SECTION, how embarrassing for you.

 

[FreemanMenard]

What was it you said, oh yes i can pay my gas bill by writing 96 is the fix on my bill. Can i do that rob? or are you just a liar?

Bobby bobby bobby... why is it I get the impression if I gave you a hammer and a screwdriver you would be hitting yourself in your head and poking yourself in the eye?

Show me a post where I stated that was how you discharged the obligations, or accept it is you who are the liar. Can you show me a post where I stated that?
No? Thought not.

For those reading, '96 is the fix' is the title of a video where the process is explained. There is a process, but writing the title of the production where it is described is not how to do it.


Poor Bobby... why so lost?

 

[BobHaulk]

But then it would not have been here so long, would it. Anyway, thank you!

So you're claiming you've got proof of your claims but you haven't shown us yet just to keep the debate going therefore meaning everything your written here isn't proof of any kind, thanks for clearing that up.
Now we've reached this stage and you've revealed your very dim, sorry cunning plan, now's the time for the killer punch, the knockout blow and present your proof, good i'm looking forward to it. Two years i've know about you and so far nothing but it looks like finally you're gonna reveal the evidence and rise up and take over the universe. I will all run off into the hills while you stand like a transformer firing off lines like 'you can't govern me without my consent' and i can pay my gas bill by writing '96 is the fix' on it. Remittances will be flying around like Luke Skywalker fighting the Stormtroopers of the federation. Teenage girls will run screaming with their children into the arms of social workers for protection.
Like Gill Scott Heron sang "when the revolution comes it will be led by a drunk man in a hat selling dvd's".

 

[FreemanMenard]

Funny how you would claim "victory" right after being so brutally debunked.



Which explains a lot actually.

Dear lurkers, being debunked on this forum is a matter of them insulting your headdress and then ignoring the facts presented. Little Bobby claiming I said that you could discharge by writing '96 is your fix' is just one example.

I come here to count their fallacies.

 

[BobHaulk]

Bobby bobby bobby... why is it I get the impression if I gave you a hammer and a screwdriver you would be hitting yourself in your head and poking yourself in the eye?

Show me a post where I stated that was how you discharged the obligations, or accept it is you who are the liar. Can you show me a post where I stated that?
No? Thought not.

For those reading, '96 is the fix' is the title of a video where the process is explained. There is a process, but writing the title of the production where it is described is not how to do it.


Poor Bobby... why so lost?

You sell dvd's claiming that you can pay your bills without having to hand over your own money. This is a fact.

 

[FreemanMenard]

Yes, they will see reality rob, and then they will look around and say " I'm in Canada, where else would i really want to be?" Your making up a police state that only the terminally lazy and dim see, your not swaying anyone.

Um G20. Remember it? It is a developing police state that only a statist can't see developing.

I am not swaying anyone you say? Funny how so many are coming around every day though.