Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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FreemanMenard said:
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds share ideas."

Notice how much time is spent on this forum talking about people, and not their ideas?
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In posting that , are you not talking about people?

Wisdom fail.
 
FreemanMenard said:
In your own words: EVIDENCE?

And if he was, would not the people who ACTUALLY put him in jail, be the ones to blame?

Oh wait, that would cause you to question the perfection of the courts and the infallibility of those operating them, right?:rolleyes:
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If you tell a friend at the bar that the 6 foot 5 biker likes hearing insults toward his mother, and really likes it when you follow up said insults with a kick to the shins, you are responsible for your friend being beaten up, not the biker.

Now granted, its hard to find someone that dim, but you seem to be pretty good at that Menard.
 
Robs solutions posted on Ickes
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060331713&postcount=1
REMEDY #1- Grow Up. If you are unhappy with the people in the government acting like they are in charge of you, then change your relationship with them. Recognize they are in fact servants, and doing what they do BECAUSE of the steps you have either taken or failed to take, and which has put you in a position under them. Legally speaking you are in the position of ward of the state, and it is that mechanism which allows them to do that which you do not like, and complain about. Crying to the government will not work. It merely identifies you even more as a child needing to be taken care of. And of the remedies, this may be the most important, for all others are built on it, and without it they all fail quickly. All their conflict generating efforts fail when people are acting maturely. And trust me on this, there are people in power seeking to generate conflict on a massive scale, so they can employ their remedies, ones you will not find remedial at all. The good news is so many people seem to be undergoing a radical shift in paradigm perception and growth of consciousness. People are growing up, recognizing their self-worth and inherent powers, asking questions, standing and realizing the need for change and uselessness of conflict. Coming together as brothers and sisters, they are claiming their inheritance from their nannies, and they have been caught with their hands in the empty cookie jar, and their pockets stuffed with cookies.

REMEDY #2 - Direct Participatory Democracy. We now have the power using the Internet to raise, deliberate, determine, and enact our will without having to elect some corporate selected and supported stranger to supposedly represent our will. Back when the parliamentary form of government was created, and even a hundred years ago, life was far tougher, moved slower, and the technology simply did not exist. People would not have been able to do what we can now. But now we can. Using the dying libraries, and the Internet, an online secure People's Congress could be created and just about any issue, form chemtrails, to the creation of our money could be addressed successfully. This one rests on the first.

REMEDY #3 - Convene new de jure courts, where only living breathing people have a voice, and no fictions have standing. A 'People's Court' with elected judges operating upon an oath to the people and justice. Not the Queen, not some fictional crown, but the people and justice. In this manner people who hide behind fictions and imaginary constructs would be stripped of their legal liability protection, and the **** they do would stop in short order. This too is a simple thing to do, though it would likely face some resistance from the existing ones, and the private societies which benefit so greatly from them.

REMEDY #4 - Become Peace Officers yourselves. Hire each other to 'preserve and maintain the public peace. Use that status to monitor and sanction policy enforcement officers who act contrary to the law when enforcing their statutes. They would be recognized and respected by our People's Courts, as they serve one master only, and wear only one hat so to speak. Keeping the public peace. And I am not talking about everyone walking around with guns and arresting police, or a militia force, but using cameras and our courts protected by the peace officer status, and when arrest is necessary, sending the sheriffs after them. The status also helps to secure the peace, and if everyone stood as peace officers, how could those who seek conflict generate it amongst ourselves?

REMEDY #5 - Create our own money and seize our own security. Hold and administer them ourselves, or establish a trust yourself with a lawyer to hold it and administer it according to your directives. We can create the money we need for the purpose of building infrastructure, maintaining it, providing public services of all types, educating the populace, and meeting basic needs, empowering people to find and share their passion, and escape the rats race. We do not have to burden future generations with debt, and if the growth keeps pace with the money supply, the value of the money actually increases. Money could be created as the exchange takes place, evidencing the exchange, not limiting them. We leave future generations with a good infrastructure, no debt, and a society that seeks to help them find abundance by developing their passion, and sharing it. Money can in fact be put into circulation without debt, and if it is a function of our efforts, not a limit upon them, people can build and exchange without artificial limits.
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I dont consent to Robs courts or his peace officers so by Robs rules its all irrelevant nonsense.

This freeman on the land is a doddle, just listen to the options and then if you don't like it refuse to consent and it all disappears.
Well done Rob, you sure know the way the system can be beaten.
 
an online secure People's Congress could be created and just about any issue, form chemtrails, to the creation of our money could be addressed successfully. This one rests on the first.
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For someone who spends a lot of time on internet forums Mister Menard seems surprisingly optimistic about the likely performance of his Online congress.
 
In that last remedy he is getting close to rebellion or succession. Both of which are looked down on....


For someone who spends a lot of time on internet forums Mister Menard seems surprisingly optimistic about the likely performance of his Online congress.
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He's making the common mistake of thinking these people, 'will of course follow my line of thinking'.....history and common sense have shown that no, they will not.
 
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Wangdoodle

Sol is a star.
He says wangdoodle whilst proving Robert Arthur Menard to be an incompetent lying fool. How many of us can do such an amazing thing?

The wangdoodle is strong in this one.
 
ComfySlippers said:
Wangdoodle

Sol is a star.
He says wangdoodle whilst proving Robert Arthur Menard to be an incompetent lying fool. How many of us can do such an amazing thing?

The wangdoodle is strong in this one.
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Ha! Thanks ComfySlippers but I must admit that I wrote that post in a real rush and when I returned just now to read it, I was thoroughly embarrassed by how badly it was written. I've tried to clean it up a little bit so that it makes more sense. It still isn't very eloquent though. Oh well.

And yes, the practice of referring to the government's rules (what non-fmotl english-speakers refer to as "law") was invented by Micklemus. He should receive all of the praise (and perhaps JLord as well who employed this method of avoiding Menardian word games for some time.)

There really is something oddly poetic about the word "wangdoodle".

EDIT: I just realized that my other lengthy post from this morning was just as badly written: http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=189431

I do quite like my Tim (from the health club) analogy. I think it helps to demonstrate the absurdity of the whole "the government deceives everyone into contracting with them in order to have authority over them and yet still remain 'Lawful' so all you have to do is not contract with them" theory.

Anyway, I will blame my poor writing on the fact that I spent a very long week stumbling my way through a complicated trial and I think it may have damaged my brain.
 
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jargon buster said:
Robs solutions posted on Ickes
http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1060331713&postcount=1
REMEDY #4 - Become Peace Officers yourselves. Hire each other to 'preserve and maintain the public peace. Use that status to monitor and sanction policy enforcement officers who act contrary to the law when enforcing their statutes.

I dont consent to Robs courts or his peace officers so by Robs rules its all irrelevant nonsense.

This freeman on the land is a doddle, just listen to the options and then if you don't like it refuse to consent and it all disappears.
Well done Rob, you sure know the way the system can be beaten.
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I've never understood this part. How can he simultaneously claim that the police have no jurisdiction (no contract/no man ruling another without consent) yet claim to be a policeman and enforce his rules on others who have not contracted and don't want to be ruled by him?

Is it a form of double-think?
 
tsig said:
I've never understood this part. How can he simultaneously claim that the police have no jurisdiction (no contract/no man ruling another without consent) yet claim to be a policeman and enforce his rules on others who have not contracted and don't want to be ruled by him?

Is it a form of double-think?
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I don't believe it rises to the level of single think. Double think would be out of the question.
 
tsig said:
I've never understood this part. How can he simultaneously claim that the police have no jurisdiction (no contract/no man ruling another without consent) yet claim to be a policeman and enforce his rules on others who have not contracted and don't want to be ruled by him?

Is it a form of double-think?
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First I do not claim they have no jurisdiction, simply that they do not have the right to claim that their rules (rules for those who exist as wards of the state) are applicable against those who are not wards of the state.

Secondly I do not claim to be a 'policeman' but a peace officer.

If YOU can't distinguish between a policeman and a peace officer, or a ward of the state and a Freeman, or Law and their rules, you will not be able to understand.

Feel free just to call them 'magic words', and dismiss the concept in its entirety.
 
FreemanMenard said:
First I do not claim they have no jurisdiction, simply that they do not have the right to claim that their rules (rules for those who exist as wards of the state) are applicable against those who are not wards of the state.

Secondly I do not claim to be a 'policeman' but a peace officer.

If YOU can't distinguish between a policeman and a peace officer, or a ward of the state and a Freeman, or Law and their rules, you will not be able to understand.

Feel free just to call them 'magic words', and dismiss the concept in its entirety.
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But you as a freeman peace officer claim the right to enforce your rules on all others.
 
tsig said:
But you as a freeman peace officer claim the right to enforce your rules on all others.
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Again, you are simply wrong. I do not claim the right to enforce 'my rules' on others at all. What we seek to ensure is that THE LAW is followed by those who seek to enforce their rules. The Law is not 'my rules' at all.

Hope that helps, but something tells me you do not wish to understand our perspective at all, and are simply actively seeking reasons to reject it without ever having looked at it.

So can you distinguish between THE LAW that binds us all, and the rules which are ONLY applicable to those who operate as a ward of the state?
 
FreemanMenard said:
So can you distinguish between THE LAW that binds us all, and the rules which are ONLY applicable to those who operate as a ward of the state?
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Explain it to us.
What is this law that binds us all?
Who created it and exactly which authority compels us to be bound by it?
 
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FreemanMenard said:
Again, you are simply wrong. I do not claim the right to enforce 'my rules' on others at all. What we seek to ensure is that THE LAW is followed by those who seek to enforce their rules. The Law is not 'my rules' at all.

Hope that helps, but something tells me you do not wish to understand our perspective at all, and are simply actively seeking reasons to reject it without ever having looked at it.

So can you distinguish between THE LAW that binds us all, and the rules which are ONLY applicable to those who operate as a ward of the state?
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Is this law that binds us all written down somewhere so I can see what it is?
 
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