Ed Rob Menard's FOTL Claims

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Terry Bouffard, a protege of Menard has just found out that perhaps a fee schedule may not in fact be enforceable. He's posted this on WFS and asks Menard for advice:
A bit of a bad day everyone.

Had the manditory settlement meeting today in my small claim against the London Chief of Police. My claim was that he didn't pay his bill I sent him as per my fee schedule.

Here is how that meeting went as best as I can remember it. It was held in a private room:


Judge Potter was the judge in there (a woman that seem to be in her 50’s)
Miss. Woziak was the lawyer representing the defense. Apparently she worked for a law firm that is on retainer from the City or the Police Services.

I first asked the judge if this meeting was considered ‘on camera’. She didn’t understand so I said ‘as in judges chambers’. She didn’t say yes or no, she said ‘It’s a private meeting to try and openly and frankly settle the matter.

The lawyer said “May I plug in a lap top, I have a video that I would like to show you”. The judge said “No, this is not a trial and I won’t be reviewing that kind of evidence here today.”

I then asked why isn’t Murray Faulkner here? The forms say he must be here or have a court order that excuses him. The lawyer said that she is the council and that she has the authorized people at the Police Services who can negotiate something ready to take her call if needed.

The judge then said I’ve gone over the paper filed for both sides and must say I’m confused. I’ve never seen anything like it before. What is a Freeman? To that I said “What does it matter? Are we not here today to discuss the claim?”

“How is this a claim?” The judge said. “Did I not have a contract with Murray Faulkner?” I asked. And the judge said “Did he sign anything?” I said ”Does he half to? Does not his silence indicate his agreement?”

The judge then said “What is a ‘Fee Schedule’? I’ve never heard of such a thing”. I was a bit stunned at this because the small claims court brochures have a ‘Fee Schedule’ listed in those.

I can’t remember the exact series of event that happened next so I’ll just throw out the things that were said as best as I can remember. The meeting took about 15 minutes.

Judge: I want to know more the Freeman stuff that is mentioned.
Me: Okay, but how does that relate to anything were here to settle today?
Lawyer: Let me see if I can help you and Mr. Bouffard can correct me if I’m wrong but I’ve been trying myself to study them and haven’t found much but it appears that it’s a movement that started in the States and they only obey the common law…..
Me: A Freeman is mentioned in the Magna Carta. It’s my understanding that the foundation of this court is in the Magna Carta and common law as stated in its own publications.
Lawyer: But the common law is now part of statute…
Me: I am a member of the World Freeman Society (judges eyes get a slightly bit bigger when I said that) but I still don’t see how that affects my claim.

Me: The Chief and I had an agreement. Did he not get the notorial presentment as per the bills of exchange act? Isn’t a notary an officer of this court? Are you going to ignore the testimony of an officer of this court?
Judge: What? A notary is just someone who witnesses stuff. You are totally wrong.
Me: Were talking about the maxims of commercial law here and I even filed them into the case.
Judge: What do you mean?
Me: A maxim of law (blank stare from judge) Blacks law 8th edition, a Maxim is a traditional legal principal that has been frozen into a concise expression. And some of the commercial maxims, An unrebutted affidavit stands as truth in commerce.
Judge: Where do you get this stuff from? There was no contract. Where was the performance? The compensation?
Me: The chiefs men ordered me to do things and I complied under protest and duress as they had guns.
Judge: How is that a contract?
Me: I performed their orders and had a fee schedule that listed the costs, you know, as if you were to go into a restaurant, order from a menu and then pay the bill. Did you sign any contract before you ordered the food?
Judge: (Look of confusion) Well no, that’s not the same.

Judge: The argument from the defense (that this claim is frivolous and vexatious) is well taken and I’m dismissing this claim.
Me: May I appeal that decision?
Judge : I don’t know…
Me: Listen, let me say one more thing; If we are all equal before the law and Murray Faulkner Chief of Police may do business with the public as stated in his own publication taken from the police website, may I also not do business with him?
Judge: Where do you get this stuff?



Judge: I agree with the defense that Murray Faulkner Chief of Police is not the proper defendant in this and I’m going to dismiss this claim and does the defense have any expenses that it seeks?
Lawyer: We have seen a number of similar type of paperwork from other Freemen and we would like to send a message to them so we are seeking $100.00 as we are on retainer and having not gone to trial there are not many expenses….
Judge: Well there was some filings fees correct? I’m going to order the plaintiff to pay $200.00
Me: May I appeal that?
Judge: That is something you are going to have to look into. And may I say that I don’t know if you do this for a living or what but I suggest you come up with something more constructive to do with your life.
Me: If I don’t stand up for my rights, no one will.

End of meeting.

Here is all that was filed in the case from both sides:
http://www.4shared.com/document/ptKETVF3/Terry_Small_Claim_against_Chie.html

http://www.4shared.com/document/PYSrUDSx/Defence_Small_Claim_Form_sent_.html

http://www.4shared.com/document/9dHqa0k7/More_paper_filed_by_me.html

http://www.4shared.com/document/WyJcNu3e/More_paper_filed_by_defence.html


So, I guess I'm going to have to look into an appeal. There is probably a good chance they will reject it if they are all like this at this court.

I probably did some sort of public / private mix up but I have a good feeling this judge wouldn't care at all. She seemed to have had her mind made up before I went into the room.

Terry
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Terry then asks Menard how to collect the fee schedule.
Menard's response has me in stitches:


I would use a claim of right, and claim the right to seize and auction off one of their cars. Once I had that document, I would sell it on ebay and force them to either buy it, or sell it to someone who would have fun with it.
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It's all here:

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=4078&start=180
 
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You can just see the FMOTL world falling down around them in that quoted post. My favorite part is:

Me: The Chief and I had an agreement. Did he not get the notorial presentment as per the bills of exchange act? Isn’t a notary an officer of this court? Are you going to ignore the testimony of an officer of this court?
Judge: What? A notary is just someone who witnesses stuff. You are totally wrong.
Me: Were talking about the maxims of commercial law here and I even filed them into the case.
Judge: What do you mean?
Me: A maxim of law (blank stare from judge) Blacks law 8th edition, a Maxim is a traditional legal principal that has been frozen into a concise expression. And some of the commercial maxims, An unrebutted affidavit stands as truth in commerce.
Judge: Where do you get this stuff from? There was no contract. Where was the performance? The compensation?
Me: The chiefs men ordered me to do things and I complied under protest and duress as they had guns.
Judge: How is that a contract?
Me: I performed their orders and had a fee schedule that listed the costs, you know, as if you were to go into a restaurant, order from a menu and then pay the bill. Did you sign any contract before you ordered the food?
Judge: (Look of confusion) Well no, that’s not the same.
Judge: The argument from the defense (that this claim is frivolous and vexatious) is well taken and I’m dismissing this claim.
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Thats right, Freemen - you've been lied to. All the power you've ascribed to notaries? Doesn't exist in reality. All these latin legal maxims? Most of them made up, no basis in the real law. You can't just send out frivolous legal documents and think you've won because someone doesn't respond in the X amount of days you set forth.

What most amazes me is the judge was completely honest and truthful with him and basically told him his entire case was based on fictional legal concepts that have no merit in a courtroom, and hes asking Rob Menard for help. If this isn't banging your head against the wall and demanding the wall to move for you, I don't know what is.

Judge: That is something you are going to have to look into. And may I say that I don’t know if you do this for a living or what but I suggest you come up with something more constructive to do with your life.
Me: If I don’t stand up for my rights, no one will.
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Whats sad is that by "standing up" for is rights by engaging in legal woo all he just did was ensure that any legitimate claim he MAY have had is dismissed and now hes got to pay court costs. Oh, the irony.

I probably did some sort of public / private mix up but I have a good feeling this judge wouldn't care at all. She seemed to have had her mind made up before I went into the room.
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Yeah, see this fiasco and utter failure could NOT have been because FMOTL has no basis in the law and anyone engaging in it ends up doing harm to themselves instead of helping...it must be because they didn't perform some part of the legal ritual correctly. This entire thing happened because this guy embraced FMOTL woo and send out frivolous "claims of right" to everyone in the country and de-registered his car and got caught.

Option 1: Write up and sign 20 frivolous legal documents that have no basis in any actual law and send them to every local/national official in the country. Remove registration from my car and think that I now have the right to go wherever I want without registration. Get caught, spend 6 months and over $2k in various expenses deluging the court with legal documents that make them think your nuts. Lose the case.
Option 2: Pay the $50 (or whatever it is) yearly fee to keep the car registered, realizing I am using goods that aren't free when I use my car like ROADS and TRAFFIC LIGHTS all of which have to be paid for.

Which is the easier option?
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
[quoteRecognizing that the Criminal Code of Canada identifies any person hired to maintain the public peace as a peace officer, the people of Canada have taken it upon themselves to hire each other as peace officers, now empowered to deal with the existing and seemingly out of control police officers of Canada. They have the power to arrest, apprehend, charge and prosecute police officers who act without respect to the Criminal Code of Canada.
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I didn't consent to this hippie nonsense.

Also, how do you arrest a police officer? They're the ones with guns, yeah?
 
Me: I am a member of the World Freeman Society (judges eyes get a slightly bit bigger when I said that) ....
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I'll bet a cookie that what he took for dismay was incredulity and/or confusion.
 
Mr Bouffard is lucky to only be charged £100 by the solicitor! Also, is there a rule about FMOTL? - their surname has to rhyme with - ah you can see it coming.

I also wonder what the video that Miss Woziak had was about. Still, if there are more of these vexatious and frivolous claims in the pipeline, we may find out. Splendid entertainment, thanks very much for posting, Stacey Grove.
 
Menard is a buffoon.

He's rambling on about being a "peace officer" in Alberta and when someone mentioned the Peace Officer Act of Alberta, he claimed that it didn't exist. Then when they posted a link to it, he claimed that well, it has only existed for a short time (since 2006), as if that somehow mattered, but the reality is that the Peace Officer Act was enacted to get rid of the "special constable" provisions of the longstanding Police Act of Alberta, and repealed and amended various sections of the Police Act. The "new" Act is about changing terminology, but the same provisions and necessary requirements for becoming a Peace Officer have been in Alberta statutes for eons.

Like I said, buffoon.
 
First, hi all. First time poster, long time anti-FMOTL-er.


This to me sums it all up.

Rob Said: Terry are you a paid in full member of the WFS?
Terry Said: Hi Rob Yes I am.
Rob Said: Loads of support available for you then. We should chat. If you want. Got Skype?

So Terry has dumped $250 into Rob's pockets, so we know there is at least 1 paying member to the WFS. lol. What sad is Terry has failed every step of the way and yet can't admit it and keeps "fighting the fight." As usual, Rob's "advice" is cryptic and doesn't serve as any real advice.

I would have to vote both for an answer to the OP. He is a con man, he schemes people out their money and into following his ways, yet he doesn't practice the walk himself, and yet he is a clown because he can't even be bother to do a good job at his sermon. See any of his videos with the whiteboard and the chirstmas lights around it? He wears the same hat in all his videos, his PDF's that you can buy are horrible documents done with WordArt, terrible color schemes and don't really make any sense. He's like the snake oil salesman who can't even afford matching bottles and labels and bottles his elixir in recycled beer bottles and just writes snakeoil across the label.

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LashL said:
Menard is a buffoon.

He's rambling on about being a "peace officer" in Alberta and when someone mentioned the Peace Officer Act of Alberta, he claimed that it didn't exist. Then when they posted a link to it, he claimed that well, it has only existed for a short time (since 2006), as if that somehow mattered, but the reality is that the Peace Officer Act was enacted to get rid of the "special constable" provisions of the longstanding Police Act of Alberta, and repealed and amended various sections of the Police Act. The "new" Act is about changing terminology, but the same provisions and necessary requirements for becoming a Peace Officer have been in Alberta statutes for eons.

Like I said, buffoon.
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Don't you mean 'Bouffard'? :D
 
Just been over to Ickes, look what hes up to now
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One of the big items we seek to build is a music recording studio, buried into the hillside, and made using straw bale construction
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Straw bales and hillsides sound like a bad combination to me.

Anyway, it sounds like some standard new age resort/hippie commune idea.
How many of those are still around?
Could a freeman run one?

My guess is that there are room for a few, but this will not be one of them.
See http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylejren
 
The community will seek to attract teachers, healers, musicians, artists, artisans, craftsman and builders.
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http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Fall_and_Rise_of_Reginald_Perrin

Reggie:
"You realise the sort of people you're going to attract, don't you Jimmy? Thugs, bully-boys, psychopaths, sacked policemen, security guards, sacked security guards, racialists, Paki-bashers, queer-bashers, Chink-bashers, anybody-bashers, Rear Admirals, queer Admirals, Vice-Admirals, fascists, neo-fascists, crypto-fascists, loyalists, neo-loyalists, crypto-loyalists."

Jimmy:
"Do you really think so? I thought support might be difficult."
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jargon buster said:
Just been over to Ickes, look what hes up to now
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I may be wrong here, but I heard of a society where you can pay for housing and pay to live in a community that has stuff like laundry mats, water purification, waste disposal, etc.

I think we call it "modern society."

Interesting that Freeloaders on the Land are seeking to recreate the very thing they hate most. Also, looks like we might have Waco v2.0 on our hands with Rob as the new self-appointed cult leader.

Also, this:

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Water will be drawn from the river, filtered, treated, rendered potable and made available to be picked up.
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I think we should find out where this is and immediately begin dumping farm animal waste into the river up stream. When the Freeman on the Land complain that we are spoiling their water source, we will simply tell them we do not consent to contract with them. I'd also notify the local government there that every structure built was done so without permits and watch the hilarity ensue.

Does anyone notice how, in the DI forum, all the FMOTLers tell Rob that this is just a fantastic idea to get free from the man and they've all love to be there and help out BUT...then the excuses begin rolling in ;)
 
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LightinDarkness said:
I may be wrong here, but I heard of a society where you can pay for housing and pay to live in a community that has stuff like laundry mats, water purification, waste disposal, etc.

I think we call it "modern society."

Interesting that Freeloaders on the Land are seeking to recreate the very thing they hate most. Also, looks like we might have Waco v2.0 on our hands with Rob as the new self-appointed cult leader.

Also, this:



I think we should find out where this is and immediately begin dumping farm animal waste into the river up stream. When the Freeman on the Land complain that we are spoiling their water source, we will simply tell them we do not consent to contract with them. I'd also notify the local government there that every structure built was done so without permits and watch the hilarity ensue.

Does anyone notice how, in the DI forum, all the FMOTLers tell Rob that this is just a fantastic idea to get free from the man and they've all love to be there and help out BUT...then the excuses begin rolling in ;)
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it's pure fantasy on his part, the dying throws of a con man. He tried his peace officer thing but everybody knew that was just stupid so now he's thinks he's the venus project.

I've had a enough over there and left. The sheer stupidity final wore me down. I did have some fun laughing at them but it got boring.

There's only a few people left like the mod and this dude yozick who i'm beginning to think might be rob. His followers are from england anyway and their giro only pays for cider and weed they'll never be in a position to go and see him in his one room bedsit.
 
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