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Rob Menard's FOTL Claims II

If your political beliefs include a way of life where you think you are not subject to laws, then of course you're "targeted". Their job is to target people who are breaking laws.

I'm not sure that he says POLITICAL BELIEFS quite enough! How many times does he need to repeat it before it becomes a compelling argument? Or even a representation of reality?

Unfortunately for freemen their anti-government YouTubes, forum posts, emails and websites have come home to roost.

Menard style freemen aren’t dissenters, dissidents or lovers of good government. They are natural persons who ignore the law. Now they are crying like babies because their plate of consequences is being served up.

Robert Menard is one of the self-proclaimed leaders of the “movement” and he works for Moose Heads.

Menard seems to think that if once in a while he says government is full of good, hard working men and women just doing their jobs as instructed he negates all the times he has warned of freeman violence, called government officials sociopaths and threatened paper terrorism.

Dean Clifford will get his day in court, but in the meantime phony freeman gurus like Menard will try to make the situation into a public relations positive. Dean’s stature as a preeminent freeman guru does not leave Menard with the option of throwing him under the bus, as he just did Dennis Meads.

Heads up, freemen, you could be the next one trashed by Menard!

As we see in his clumsy letter, in order to avoid discussion of how it is one of freemanary’s best legal minds can’t seem to make his own theories work Menard will portray Clifford as a victim. . .just one day after decrying the pathetic victimhood of the freeman cult on Dom’s radio show.

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It is day 80 since Fez Boy filed and I haven’t heard anything from the courts, or my internet and email providers.
 
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From Menards FB page
Two letters written and posted 13 hours apart
They are signed
I ask you look past what may be political perspective you do not share, and see our common interest in a free country, where people are not punished for their political beliefs.
Sincerely,
Robert Menard
and
Freemen believe in good-government. This is your chance to show us some.
Thank you for your time, I trust you will take the appropriate and honourable steps.
Sincerely, and without malice aforethought, ill will, vexation or frivolity,
I AM
Robert Arthur Menard
Freeman-on-the-Land
Interim Chief of the Peace
Canadian Common Corps of Peace Officers.

I think it's getting to the stage where he doesn't actually know who he's supposed to be.
 
I love how he equivocates on the distinction between being punished for holding their political beliefs, and being punished for acting on their political beliefs.

There are lots of people who think the Liberal Party should have been the Government of Canada after the last election. Should they be allowed to act as if the Liberal Party actually is the government?
 
I love how he equivocates on the distinction between being punished for holding their political beliefs, and being punished for acting on their political beliefs.

Furthermore, Menard’s latest jibber jabber conveniently ignores the real truth that he and Clifford aren’t talking about politics at all and that Clifford is not a political prisoner. The latter is a detained person (a pompous ass at that) accused of a criminal act.

By definition politics address organized government and its conduct.

Menard seems to have forgotten that he and Clifford completely deny the authority of the Canadian democratic government.

At their core Menard and Clifford don’t advocate lower taxes, decreased regulation or any other political point of view. They don’t have another an alternate political system either, just the cult of the individual.

A cult so self centered that these two tell their followers that, at their mere wish, there is no government, no constitution and no statutes, no police and no rules.

Obviously, this freeman fog includes renaming the crimes of reckless driving and assaulting police officers as political activity.

Nobody in authority is buying the lie and the ever tolerant Canadian police and court system seem to be running out of patience.

The only question now seems to be how long is it before Dean becomes somebody’s jail house punk.
 
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Nobody in authority is buying the lie and the ever tolerant Canadian police and court system seem to be running out of patience.

I hope to see less talk more Taser in future.
I am staggered by the patience of the Canadian Police, maybe this is why they have become a pain in the backside.
Lets see it nipped in the bud.

Hello Robert, you can quote that in your next daft video if you like. ;)
 
The thing with ceylon is he will never stray from his own forum, I know hes an idiot but unlike Menard he seems to have his ego in check and doesnt feel the need to go elsewhere promoting his garbage.
He posts Youtube videos but censors any negative responses.

Now that GODOF is promoting promissory notes big style I was just wondering if that could amount to some sort of "conspiracy to defraud" that a bank / utility company might alert the DPP to?
 
So for the first time in a few months I browse through the DI FMOTL forum - one of Rob's former stomping grounds. I find this gem:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232852

Am I reading this right? Aren't these posters self-proclaimed Freeman on the Land who desire nothing more to be free of the shackles of society...and they are whining about reforms to their free, government provided, welfare benefits? Looks like the UK is making changes to the welfare system that makes their social welfare benefits a bit more restricted...and the freeman are upset about this? They are upset because they are getting free housing and food from the government, except come April instead of the government directly paying for their housing they will pay them directly and expect them to pay the landlord. Oh, what terrible police state oppression! They are worried that they won't be able to handle being paid directly and will blow the FREE money they are getting and not be able to pay their rent.

I mean...talk about the height of hypocrisy. The self proclaimed freemen are sucking the teet of the state one minute and then raging against it the next and demanding freedom. How about start the journey to being free by not taking state welfare?
 
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From our friends over at Ickes:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1061306312&postcount=1

FREE DEAN CLIFFORD CALL TO ACTION EMERGENCY BROADCAST

TO BE AIRED FROM CANADA

SATURDAY 5 P.M. PST - 9-Feb-2013 which is Irish time SUNDAY 1 A.M. GMT - 10-Feb-2013

TUNE IN LIVE WITH THE LINK BELOW.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/globalf...ency-broadcast

This is an emergency broadcast and its purpose is for gathering, informing and educating as many supporters of Dean Clifford as possible, and to propose a Call To Action that leads to his immediate release from maximum security confinement and isolation.

Darren Boissonneault, Dean's close friend and roommate, is the only person in contact with Dean at the moment. He will be on the show updating us on the conversations he has had with Dean up till now. Then, we will present a plan of action with outlined instructions on what each of us can do to help Dean.

This type of injustice and violation of rights cannot go on any longer. The time to take responsibility for our lives and to take (peaceful) action is NOW. Support Dean and be present for this emergency broadcast and bring as many friends and allies as you can. And remember, "NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, WE STICK TOGETHER"


Let’s face it Dean Clifford was arrested for the sort of thing one usually is embarrassed about when it happens to your 19 year old nephew. . .driving without a license, registration, valid insurance, reckless driving and a panty waist assault on the ticketing police officer.

Like teenagers with chips on their shoulders Boissonneault and Menard insist on making a federal case out of this.

Move over Che‘, Deano’s coming through!

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It is day 81 since Fez Boy filed and I haven’t heard anything from the courts, or my internet and email providers.
 
So for the first time in a few months I browse through the DI FMOTL forum - one of Rob's former stomping grounds. I find this gem:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232852

Am I reading this right? Aren't these posters self-proclaimed Freeman on the Land who desire nothing more to be free of the shackles of society...and they are whining about reforms to their free, government provided, welfare benefits? . . .

I mean...talk about the height of hypocrisy. The self proclaimed freemen are sucking the teet of the state one minute and then raging against it the next and demanding freedom. How about start the journey to being free by not taking state welfare?

This supports my theory that the average freeman is stuck in the phase of life at which he was a 10 year old kid railing against his parents who made him clean up his room before dinner.

He told his parents “You ain't the boss of me!”. But, he sure as can be wanted that dinner.
 
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So for the first time in a few months I browse through the DI FMOTL forum - one of Rob's former stomping grounds. I find this gem:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232852

Am I reading this right? Aren't these posters self-proclaimed Freeman on the Land who desire nothing more to be free of the shackles of society...and they are whining about reforms to their free, government provided, welfare benefits? Looks like the UK is making changes to the welfare system that makes their social welfare benefits a bit more restricted...and the freeman are upset about this? They are upset because they are getting free housing and food from the government, except come April instead of the government directly paying for their housing they will pay them directly and expect them to pay the landlord. Oh, what terrible police state oppression! They are worried that they won't be able to handle being paid directly and will blow the FREE money they are getting and not be able to pay their rent.

I mean...talk about the height of hypocrisy. The self proclaimed freemen are sucking the teet of the state one minute and then raging against it the next and demanding freedom. How about start the journey to being free by not taking state welfare?

From the link:

If you’re on benefits you’re entitled to what’s called a debt relief order once every three years. Rack up your loans, overdrafts and credit cards, then give them the finger and start again.


Spoken like a true Freeloader/FOTL.
 
From the link:

If you’re on benefits you’re entitled to what’s called a debt relief order once every three years. Rack up your loans, overdrafts and credit cards, then give them the finger and start again.


Spoken like a true Freeloader/FOTL.

Right there you have the essence of what FOTL is really about. It's not about freedom or political beliefs - it's about taking as much as possible and making someone else pay for it.
 
Right there you have the essence of what FOTL is really about. It's not about freedom or political beliefs - it's about taking as much as possible and making someone else pay for it.
Don't forget the most important part - being wrong about everything.
 
"Im Rob Menard and I withdraw consent to statute law, I do not now have to follow statutes and am immune from your rules."
"Ok Rob, Im Jargon Buster and Im going to live in Freeman Valley and ignore your rules"
"Then we will make you obey or leave JB"
"But Rob, that cant be right, how come we cant make you obey or leave our society?"
Because JB,you have to obey my rules and I can ignore all your rules, those are my rules.
"So Rob, let me get this right, you can ignore my rules but I have to follow yours?"
"Yep, that sounds like equality to me Robert."
 
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Once again Mr. Menard demonstrates that he doesn’t comprehend the law.

When our subject ignorantly claims that the parking lot in which Clifford was arrested was private property on which the police have absolutely no authority it becomes clear that he has simply found a bit of foolishness that plays well in the freeman cult.

It’s just plain bad advice given by a Moose Head soaked stoner.

In Canada provincial statutes are enforceable on private property when the public has access, or the right of entry, by motor vehicle on such property.

The parking lot in question is open to the public and a police officer can issue parking tickets for handicap zones, fire zones, expired license plates and any other violation including, in the case of Mr. Clifford, reckless driving.

One can only assume that Menard will scream tyranny and solicit donations when the judge explains the law to Mr. Clifford.
 
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Once again Mr. Menard demonstrates that he doesn’t comprehend the law.

When our subject ignorantly claims that the parking lot in which Clifford was arrested was private property on which the police have absolutely no authority it becomes clear that he has simply found a bit of foolishness that plays well in the freeman cult.

It’s just plain bad advice given by a Moose Head soaked stoner.

In Canada provincial statutes are enforceable on private property when the public has access, or the right of entry, by motor vehicle on such property.

The parking lot in question is open to the public and a police officer can issue parking tickets for handicap zones, fire zones, expired license plates and any other violation including, in the case of Mr. Clifford, reckless driving.

One can only assume that Menard will scream tyranny and solicit donations when the judge explains the law to Mr. Clifford.

Hi Arayder

Just a point of clarification for me. So if I'm driving recklessly on my own private property a police officer couldn't (In Canada) arrest me for that nor could he issue a citation if I didn't have a drivers license on me, etc?
 
Hi Arayder

Just a point of clarification for me. So if I'm driving recklessly on my own private property a police officer couldn't (In Canada) arrest me for that nor could he issue a citation if I didn't have a drivers license on me, etc?

Good question. I don’t know.

In many U.S. states reckless driving laws are enforceable on one’s own strictly private property, even property to which the public is not allowed access.

I am not acquainted with Canadian law on this point.

I don’t think the same restrictions apply to driving around your strictly private property without a driver’s license. I suspect most states and provinces recognize the reality that junior is going to be driving the truck to and fro the barn.

But I do know that in the U.S. and Canada the publicly accessed parking lots of privately owned businesses are subject to traffic laws.

This means that even if Clifford owned the Sobeys in whose parking lot he allegedly drove recklessly he still would not be able to claim that the province had no authority to ticket and, or arrest him.
 
I suspect most states and provinces recognize the reality that junior is going to be driving the truck to and fro the barn.

MS allows farm equipment to be driven without a license, while NE has a special "Husbandry permit" that allows farm equipment to be driven by anyone older than 13.

And many states issue learners' permits at age 14 for this reason. And yeah, rural cops in MYOB country probably look the other way if the driving is on private property.
 

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