Merged rlopez2's thread to discuss recent history

Notwithstanding rlopez' inability to use the rather simple quote system, I gave up long ago trying to respond to the incoherent posts. The whole thing is odd to say the least. I have no idea what his actual point might be, it seems different in every other post. I remain uncertain what the hell the actual claim is.

I can see that. My father was a psychiatrist. He suggested an indication of schizophrenia was when you had a ten minute conversation with someone and could not identify one constant argument point from that person. :)
 
Nazis fought people that could and did defend themselves on an equal basis

Greece? Poland? Yugoslavia? Norway? Belgium? Luxembourg?

Jews? Gypsies? Gay people? The disabled? The mentally ill?

Mr Lopez, I suggest it would make it easier to address your posts, and who knows, perhaps you would even manage to persuade people, if you were able to set out in one sentence what your point is. Please?
 
by the way, for those of you who don't know gringos well enough. They talk and apparently also think like that. If you have a chance to actually talk to one of them. First check your emotions, in order not to start laughing right on their faces too soon.

> > Originally Posted by rlopez2
> > Nazis fought people that could and did defend themselves on an equal basis

> Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
> Greece? Poland? Yugoslavia? Norway? Belgium? Luxembourg?
> Jews? Gypsies? Gay people? The disabled? The mentally ill?

Actually:

1) The British, Rusia, France, the U.S., ... Now tell me about a single times "'the' 'brave' ..." have put to the test their own bsing delussions? and chances they have had plenty

2) Whom do freedom lovers try their bs with: Haiti, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, ...

3) I don't know about gay people, but if you knew a bit about how such concepts adamized it was actually the British who started conceptually started that kind of bs and gringos put it into practive big time (they still do), but whatever your argument is freedom lovers have 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazis, so I wonder what your point exactly is

> Mr Lopez, I suggest it would make it easier to address your Posts

3rd grade Math is all you need

> who knows, perhaps you would even manage to persuade people, if you were able to set out in one sentence what your point is. Please?

I am not into any kind of proselitism what I'd wish though is for gringos to be honest and own their *****. Aren't you the brave? Why do you always and only use all that braveness and all of that when it is safely abusive?
 
> I remember once you were being verbally colourful towards me, because I was outing the fact that USG gives themselves "the 'legal' right" to abuse minor children (as little as middle schoolers) by turning them into government perpetrators at such a young age.

The children, Orwell writes in 1984: "were systematically turned against their parents and taught to spy on them and report their deviations. The family has become in effect an extension of the Thought Police. It was a device by means of which everyone could be surrounded night and day by informers who knew him intimately"

Right from the FBI's operation manual

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31...pe-to-pull-in-informants/?comments=1#comments

* With permission from supervisors, FBI agents may recruit minors as informants. They may also, with permission from the U.S. Department of Justice, recruit clergy, lawyers, and journalists.

What they are not saying to you is that even children (I can confirm as little as middle schoolers) are being used as perps in schools even during their class time to follow around, gang stalk and gaslight teachers.

Personally, I find that more abusive to kids than stupid, but they seem to have the need to start training them from an early age. I wonder what "permission" from which "supervisors" would make any of it "legal".
 
1) The British, Rusia, France, the U.S., ... Now tell me about a single times "'the' 'brave' ..." have put to the test their own bsing delussions? and chances they have had plenty

2) Whom do freedom lovers try their bs with: Haiti, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, ...

3) I don't know about gay people, but if you knew a bit about how such concepts adamized it was actually the British who started conceptually started that kind of bs and gringos put it into practive big time (they still do), but whatever your argument is freedom lovers have 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazis, so I wonder what your point exactly is

I can't make sense of any of this but a particular highlight is Q3. Something, something, gay people, adamized (whatever that's intended to mean) 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazis. It's a tour de force of gibberish and yet somehow it snares you and draws you to want to discover by what insane measure the Americans are 8 times as bad as the Nazis.
 
draws you to want to discover by what insane measure the Americans are 8 times as bad as the Nazis.

Estimates are that the Axis losers killed or starved to death about 80 percent of all those who died during the WWII. Casualties estimates run around or about 70–85 million people perished, which was about 3% of the 1940 world population (est. 2.3 billion).

So 80% of 80 million (an average) is 64 million and that times 8 - 8 being his term as noted below.

His claim was, "your argument is freedom lovers have 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazis" I presume he means Americans only starting in 1789.

So by our deep thinkers ranting claim the US would have had to do in 512 million people.

Hmmm sounds a tad excessive.

Now a point the Japanese, Italians and a few other minor powers were German allies but Japan would never have tried to take on the US, UK, France, Netherlands and China by itself. WWII happened because of German aggression as directed by the Nazis. The other Axis just jumped on to take advantage.

Now lets see what howling mad an inaccurate spew we get from our deep thinker. I presume he will try to lump in all American caused casualties in every instance since the founding of the US. A period of 244 years versus 12. Lets see then.

LOL
 
by the way, for those of you who don't know gringos well enough. They talk and apparently also think like that. If you have a chance to actually talk to one of them. First check your emotions, in order not to start laughing right on their faces too soon.> > Originally Posted by rlopez2> > Nazis fought people that could and did defend themselves on an equal basis > Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
> Greece? Poland? Yugoslavia? Norway? Belgium? Luxembourg?
> Jews? Gypsies? Gay people? The disabled? The mentally ill? Actually:
1) The British, Rusia, France, the U.S., ... Now tell me about a single times "'the' 'brave' ..." have put to the test their own bsing delussions? and chances they have had plenty 2) Whom do freedom lovers try their bs with: Haiti, Nicaragua, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, . 3) I don't know about gay people, but if you knew a bit about how such concepts adamized it was actually the British who started conceptually started that kind of bs and gringos put it into practive big time (they still do), but whatever your argument is freedom lovers have 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazis, so I wonder what your point exactly is > Mr Lopez, I suggest it would make it easier to address your Posts

3rd grade Math is all you need

So you admit you were lying.

You don't know how many people were killed in the Nazi genocide.
You can't show us how the US government killed "8x" that number.
You simply lie and make up incoherent stories

:big:
 
3) I don't know about gay people, but if you knew a bit about how such concepts adamized it was actually the British who started conceptually started that kind of bs and gringos put it into practive big time (they still do), but whatever your argument is freedom lovers have 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazis, so I wonder what your point exactly is
The river Temarc in winter.
Picard, his face in palm.
> Mr Lopez, I suggest it would make it easier to address your Posts
Temba, at rest.
> who knows, perhaps you would even manage to persuade people, if you were able to set out in one sentence what your point is. Please?

I am not into any kind of proselitism what I'd wish though is for gringos to be honest and own their *****. Aren't you the brave? Why do you always and only use all that braveness and all of that when it is safely abusive?
Kiteo, his eyes closed.
 
> I remember once you were being verbally colourful towards me, because I was outing the fact that USG gives themselves "the 'legal' right" to abuse minor children (as little as middle schoolers) by turning them into government perpetrators at such a young age.

The children, Orwell writes in 1984: "were systematically turned against their parents and taught to spy on them and report their deviations. The family has become in effect an extension of the Thought Police. It was a device by means of which everyone could be surrounded night and day by informers who knew him intimately"

Right from the FBI's operation manual

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/31...pe-to-pull-in-informants/?comments=1#comments

* With permission from supervisors, FBI agents may recruit minors as informants. They may also, with permission from the U.S. Department of Justice, recruit clergy, lawyers, and journalists.

What they are not saying to you is that even children (I can confirm as little as middle schoolers) are being used as perps in schools even during their class time to follow around, gang stalk and gaslight teachers.

Personally, I find that more abusive to kids than stupid, but they seem to have the need to start training them from an early age. I wonder what "permission" from which "supervisors" would make any of it "legal".

Why are you worried about what children might report to the authorities?

Was there something going on that you wouldn't want anyone to know?
 
> I can't make sense of any of this but a particular highlight is Q3. Something, something, gay people, adamized (whatever that's intended to mean) 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazis. It's a tour de force of gibberish and yet somehow it snares you and draws you to want to discover by what insane measure the Americans are 8 times as bad as the Nazis.

What exactly don't you "understand" about USG 8xing the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany during WWII? I had posted in this thread a link to the 3rd grade common core Math necessary to "understand" it along with a T-table kind of explanation of every step:

https://theintercept.com/2015/04/17/ramstein/?comments=1comment-124608

I could only help you "understand", if you were to at least explain where exactly is the insanity in:

a) establishing two ratios,
b) comparing two fractions and
c) a division/the 8 times table.

When you go to the doctor you have to tell them where it hurts and how, if you want to get help (there you have a low hanging mango for you satisfying your mind's requirements). If I tell you that "the sun rises on the East every day" (or so it has for a long time), you certainly know what "sun", "to rise", "East", "day", "every" mean to assign to that statement a truth value or not, and if you don't "understand" it, based on its constituent terms, you can certainly articulate a reason as to why you don't and express exactly what is it you "can't understand" or don't "agree with".

Not that I care about "the good in them" when they went about their "freedom loving" business, but I even used their worst figures for my Math. Have you heard public rants by Nazis? They sound so similar to those by USG, that you won't be able to tell them apart! What makes the difference is that Nazis were "honest", meant, owned their ****. They would not call stealing half of the oil production by Venezuela "the alliance for progress" or say that the Monroe doctrine was to "protect" countries in the American continent from European imperial powers. Nazis a century later would call something for what it meant: -Lebensraum-. I once asked a history teacher to test that (using Adolf Hitler's very rants) with his own students. He told me that "he would be fired 'for other reasons' and would not be able to find a job ever again". He asked me: "but what are you going to teach as U.S. history then?". As I previously said, if you want to clearly see what I mean, visit a museum in Germany and what gringos consider to be their historical museums (which are like Disney world franchises, theme parks).

to adamize: is a verb used by semioticians/linguists to describe, track how a term or concept happens, trends, "evolves". I see it as some sort of Hegelizing textual conscientization (to put it somehow), not exactly, entirely physically relating to cause-effect sorts of things. We invented writing to record what we meant so that other people can read/mind/"own" it for themselves. With adamizations it kinds of happens the other way around there are certain things that we need, choose to "own"/believe/"read" ... so we need to "write" it, invent philosophies, make it "real" (but not "real" as the reality of that falling apple incident noticed by Newton).

It was written in the Bible that "God created Adam in his image" to make sense of things, us and himself "God".

In the Hegelian sense there are always semantic aspects of it you can't quite control, possibly know in advance, predict. Jeremy Bentham pointed out (my way to make his idea more easily "understandable". I hope you will be very welcome! Otherwise read up on it!): even though we invented money (a necessary functional illusion, social fiction), we cannot escape the consequences of our messing with our own conscious "fictions" when we missuse, abuse them ... (induced financial crises) and in the same way that when we invented words we automatically invented the possibility of lying, when we invented money, we invented financial speculations, getting "smart" about it, ... I think Bentham, like Kant, would have emphasized these days all those nukes waiting to go "pop" and Murphy's law.

Examples of adamizations to illustrate its meaning (using one of the themes in this thread you don't "understand"):

// __ How did WWI and WWII adamized:

1.a) Darwin, with some loose ends but in the main right (he didn't know about Mendel's research), proposed "natural selection" using breeding ("artificial selection") as explanatory paradigm.

1.b) the "meme" "survival of the fittest" surfaced and is noticed as a profitable ideation

1.c) §b's meme is taken from Darwin's and reinterpreted by his very cousin in an "artificial selection", "white man burden", protagonistic kind of way. Darwin puts aside his scientific cool and vestiges of Victorian ancestry to question/try to clarify his cousin's ideas. When did he effing ever imply any of those racist ideations? (racism, biologically speaking, is hard chore absurdity, you can't improve a species by destroying the natural diversity a species needs to maintain itself, evolve) ... but no one wanted to hear any of it, because it didn't satisfy their "long live their crappy queen" kind of protagonism ... Victorian England stopped cracking jokes about Darwin's ideas (asking him if he descended from a monkey from his father's, or mother's side ;-)) and got smart about repurposing such ideas in the way they needed.

1.d) the British freedom lovingly protagonized/appropriated such ideas in the way that fit them to justify their abuse to Negritos all over the world, which they saw and still see as their claim to "greatness" ... they were just "helping them" get "civilized" after all. Look at the skin color of those Negritos, those towels with which they cover their head, the extravagantly long ponytails of the Chinese (their queue)! That "explains" why they want, need to get "freedom loved" ...

1.e) actually the British turned their exploitation and abuse into some sort of official state philosophy, their very ethos, but the imperial powers of the time: Spain with their "autos de fe" in the newly discovered continent, Portugal, the Dutch, the French, Belgian, ... didn't do any better, all they needed to prove to themselves that they were right were guns and canons. Easy! As the Belgian gov with the "help" of the CIA made clear by assassinating Patrice Lumumba, they want Negritos to "keep their place", they don't want for them not to be corrupt and concern themselves with morally sophisticated matters which could be harmful to themselves. Imperial powers are so caring, so altruistically humane!

1.f) they freedom lovingly sectioned the world themselves into sizable "areas of interests" and respected their shared ideals and "gentlemen agreements". Gringos had the great ideas of genocidally dealing with their native population which they have continued to this very day, the Westward expansion, the Monroe doctrine, making "hard choices", ... and they did that as they have been droning little girls and their grandma's these days (nothing or very little that matters has changed):

// __ The Canary Effect - Native Americans documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLsIIlFru8E
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// __ Madeleine Albright says 500,000 dead Iraqi Children was "worth it" wins Medal of Freedom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnskeu-puE
~
https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30...emen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/

https://theintercept.com/2015/04/24/obama-drone-apology/
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"because" "they have the reponsibility to take care of more important matters" (tm), for "progress", "freedom", "to make sure that justice prevails in the universe", ... "because" "they hear God telling them things" (BTW, their God is so, but so selective and so, abusively "smart", has such schizophrenic blind spots!?! it doesn't seem to be able to pinpoint China and/or Russia on a map, which to mere mortals like you and me would be easy) ... and "because" "those people don't really matter". But, wait!?, who were the ones who were exterminating Jewish people, gipsies, gay people, political opponents, ... anyone that stood in their way on an industrial scale? and why? Wasn't it because "Untermenschen" didn't matter? Oh, no! Wasn't it because "Arbeit macht frei!"? (now, you tell me how much more gringo that phrase could be when they say that they care about "democracy", "freedom", ..., however, it was not said by them) Well, freedom lovers have 8xed all of that"!

1.g) Germany (as always, historically dealing with their own daemons) comes late to the party: "sorry, party is over you were late. We have already enjoyed all the fun, party started at 5PM, but you arrived at 9PM ... we already had all the drinks, the food, effed all the girls, who seemed to have instantly fallen in love with us" ... Germany never quite got how you do it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide
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1.h) Germany: Oh! this is it? That is the deal? OK, why not taking you as -our- negritos? WWI, ...

1.i) European imperial powers got really upset about Germany "unacceptably crazy" behavior not respecting their bsing "philosophies", "gentlemen agreements", ... They laughed their heads off when the Ethiopian king protested the invasion by Italy in the League of the Nations, but were at a loss when Germany attacked them. Great Lord, that is beyond "crazy"! How could they point their guns and canons at us? So they "legally", "rightfully" punished Germany with becoming their "Negritos" as well, with such crazy debts that even people who were as anti German as they could possibly be protested it. To their understanding, Germany has "lost" WWI, so it deserved that kind of abuse. Germany itself was like, that was great! We can certainly do this!

1.j) Germany: Hmm! You have effectively turned us into your "Negritos". Hell, no! Nazis managed to get a grip on political power.

1.k) WWII, ... Imperial Powers got a doses of their own medicine, formidable kick in their pants. That was as pure an act of poetic justice on a cosmic scale as it could ever have been. Spain and Italy were spared, they were freedom loved by their own government.

1.l) Nazi Germany also, being adamized by their own history (when the German tribes started the end of the "pax romana" bs), the gringo "Monroe Doctrine" as the proof of concept of what centuries later became their "Lebensraum" ideations, ... made the crass mistake to missjudge those "Untermenschen" Russian people ... who were working hard at pulling their nation out of feudalism when Nazis attacked them.

Something that happens with adamizations in relation to the characteristics of things consciously used, which also relates to Hegel's slave owner-slave dialectic, is that (to explain it somehow) what is good for the goose will definitely be good for the gander as well even if the goose is exploiting the gander or viceversa even if in a different way. When you turn someone into your slave, you are at the same time making fertile a certain ground you will depend, but won't be able to stand, grow on. Gringos consider themselves to be the worldsonlysuperpower ...

The Roman empire built all those vias out of their empire to mess with other peoples. Like gringos nowadays, quite naturally, they made messing with other people the very essence of their existence. "Barbaric" peoples used those same vias to come to Rome to mess with them ;-). You see the same with the U.S. and China, after "USG won the cold war by having Reagan stand tall to them", they exploited China for their cheap labor force ...

Ironically, gringos as part of their protagonic, movie-like bullsh!t like to see themselves as "democratic" when Athenians, the ones who invented "democracy" as social technologies to make and manage their own government openly and transparently, would most probably see them as they saw the Persian empire trying to turn them into slaves and from which they succesfully defended themselves. One of the greatest ideas gringos have ever had is making laws (even their interpretations!) secret. I wonder what Athenians would think of that and that one of their presidents (aka: "yes, we scan!") who boasted about sitting his black rear end in fancy law schools "studying" Constitutional Law (as he said) was the one most enthusiastic about such things.

// __ How ideations about "not understanding" adamize:

2.a) show gringos Star Wars while they are young

2.b) make sure they spend (1/4)+ of their waking life watching TV, their cell phones, ...

2.c) even though you are gut sure that you are above and beyond physical reality (because God is on your side and all of that), you make sure you never, effing ever! engage any power with whom you could actually test those ideations about being the worldsonlysuperpower, "'the' 'brave' ...", (USG seems to have learned a few lessons from Nazi Germany, unfortunately, they learned them in their own ways ...) Of course, you also need "philosophies", "doctrines", ... as "let's-feel-great-about-it" ideations, TV-sets, "not understanding" certain things ... to toy your mind with as well;

2.d) when someone points it out to you, showing the very easy Math proving that USG's freedom loving in their latest wars 8xed the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany, you "can't understand" "what is meant" ... and that is only a factual aspect of some other important ones on which USG would not hold the high ground, not even while demonstrably comparing them to Nazis.

2.e) gringos even though they are the most propagandized people on planet earth (some people who know about such matters have told me that Israelis are way more propagandized/brainwashed, that when you mention to them that they are occupying Palestine, they would, quite naively, go like "occupation", what is that?), but they are cock-sure that they are not because this is "unAmerican" (as they talk and apparently think) ...
 
> 2.e) gringos even though they are the most propagandized people on planet earth ...

they cannot "understand" what you mean. Even those skeptical, smart rear ends who discuss their theories about "how conspiracy theories happen", when you tell them to test their theory with the claims from people deemed "conspiracy theorists" who:

a) had been warning people about every computer with windows installed being essentially an NSA client station (they even prefixed the files on the Windows OS as NSA*.*).

https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html

What has Bill Gates to say about Snowden?

https://techcrunch.com/2014/03/14/bill-gates-says-snowden-is-no-hero/

b) as Snowden made very clear later, had been telling people that the degree of control that USG had over its subjects was way beyond the wildest dreams the stasi and the KGB ever had.

When you ask that to the "conspiracy theories" theorist, what you hear is a cosmic silence. He doesn't seem to "understand". You would expect for the outer space to be silent because there is not air/medium to conduct sound. They apparently have no "medium" in their brains to "understand" such ideas.

// __ "Government Surveillance: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)"

youtube.com/watch?v=XEVlyP4_11M
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// __ VICE: "State of Surveillance" with Edward Snowden and Shane Smith:

youtube.com/watch?v=ucRWyGKBVzo
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Funny thing is that gringos had been thoroughly indoctrinated through generations about all those unAmerican peoples/governments spying on their own, but when they learned that their own government was the most "unAmerican" they could have possibly imagined in their wildest dreams, they just collectively went like: "Oh, now I know what metadata is! I thought it was some sort of dance von DR" and that was all there was to it.
 
definition-of dot com said:
Definition. adamize

rate. (Adult / Slang) Obsolete 19 th century euphemism for sexual intercourse. See copulation for synonyms.

adamize
Semioticians do it, birds do it, bees do it, even educated fleas do it. :)
 
Have you cared to check the Math in which I showed that the genoicidal ratio of USG in their latest freedom loving has 8xed the worst figure by Nazis?

You haven't posted it, despite your claim that you have. The link you've actually posted is to an article about a US base in Germany and has nothing to do with the Nazis whatsoever. A sane person would be able to post the following pieces of information:

(1) Number of people killed by the US Government.
(2) Number of people killed by the Nazis.

Critical observers could then examine the two numbers and discuss their accuracy. If you honestly believed what you're claiming and were able to construct a coherent argument, there would be no reason not to post those pieces of information. We will all read what we choose into your continued disinclination or inability to do so.

Dave
 
I'm still waiting on an answer RL - why are you obsessed with the notion that middle-school children gaslight their teachers and snitch on them?
 
You haven't posted it, despite your claim that you have. The link you've actually posted is to an article about a US base in Germany and has nothing to do with the Nazis whatsoever. A sane person would be able to post the following pieces of information:

(1) Number of people killed by the US Government.
(2) Number of people killed by the Nazis.

Critical observers could then examine the two numbers and discuss their accuracy. If you honestly believed what you're claiming and were able to construct a coherent argument, there would be no reason not to post those pieces of information. We will all read what we choose into your continued disinclination or inability to do so.

Dave

Thanks lots of smoke and ranting and no information from the non-expert rlopez2.

My information stands unchallenged

Estimates are that the Axis losers killed or starved to death about 80 percent of all those who died during the WWII. Casualties estimates run around or about 70–85 million people perished, which was about 3% of the 1940 world population (est. 2.3 billion).

So 80% of 80 million (an average) is 64 million and that times 8 - 8 being his term as noted below.

His claim was, "your argument is freedom lovers have 8x the genocidal ratio of Nazis" I presume he means Americans only starting in 1789.

So by our deep thinkers ranting claim the US would have had to do in 512 million people.

Hmmm sounds a tad excessive.

Now a point the Japanese, Italians and a few other minor powers were German allies but Japan would never have tried to take on the US, UK, France, Netherlands and China by itself. WWII happened because of German aggression as directed by the Nazis. The other Axis just jumped on to take advantage.

Now lets see what howling mad an inaccurate spew we get from our deep thinker. I presume he will try to lump in all American caused casualties in every instance since the founding of the US. A period of 244 years versus 12. Lets see then.

LOL

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13213693&postcount=149

Odd that he cannot actually just provide the information...lol

By the way Lopez when are you going to apologize for what your ancestor: Miguel Lopez, the conqueror of the Philippines, did?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_López_de_Legazpi
 

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